MediaWiki:Chat/Logs/18 November 2012

 [12:00]  I just crafted this bow that shoots three Arrows at once [12:00]  NO WAY [12:01]  How much does it cost? [12:01]  16 bricks [12:01]  Wow [12:01]  Gonna continue playing now [12:01]  It's Awesome [12:01]  Hey guys [12:01]  I'm back [12:01]  We're talking about the Lego LotR game [12:02]  https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/405019_341631215934789_2108672762_n.jpg [12:02]  ^ that's me alreight [12:02]  *alright [12:02]  You don't like LotR? [12:03]  I love it [12:04] <Vector E. Cramp> ? [12:04] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> That image isn't related to your conversation [12:07] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Meiko/TNW/history.png [12:11] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Hi [12:11] <NinjagoGirl78> Hey :p [12:11] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> How do you do? [12:11] <NinjagoBot> Here is the Ninjago Wiki's wordle for November 17th based on each words frequency. The more times a word is used, the bigger it is on the graph. [12:11] <NinjagoGirl78> Uh.... [12:12] <NinjagoGirl78> I'm do fine :l [12:12] <NinjagoGirl78> :p [12:13] <NinjagoGirl78> What is the Bot talking about? [12:13] <NinjagoGirl78> :p [12:13] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Some weird thing that was programmed in I assume [12:13] <NinjagoGirl78> Oh never mind [12:13] <NinjagoGirl78> :p [12:13] <NinjagoGirl78> Bye I just stopped to say hi :p [12:14] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Okay [12:15] <NinjagoBot> [12:16] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> My name is huge [12:18] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Why is walrus on there? [12:18] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Ninjago isn't even on there... [12:19] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> MG, are you playing as the bot? [12:21] <Legodude101> He is [12:23] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> WOAH [12:23] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Kramer sent me the tracks [12:23] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Awesome! [12:24] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, PM. I'll send you the link [12:28] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> "The Green Ninja" sounds awesome [12:28] <Legodude101> Thats a lot of tracks! Me and Prot wont have time for them all [12:28] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Yeah. 64. Dang [12:28] <Legodude101> Ah well, I guess we'll be working our backs out then [12:28] <Totallyhypnosquid> Hai [12:28] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Don't even bother uploading them. There are too many [12:29] <Totallyhypnosquid> Wii U tomorrow! I can't WAIT!!!! [12:29] <Legodude101> But we must. People have been requesting this stuff for AGES! [12:29] <Legodude101> If only we had more help [12:30] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> MG hasn't been on today. Does he even care about this site anymore? He'd love to hear Kramer's tracks... [12:31] <Legodude101> More importantly he'd want to help out [12:31] <Legodude101> Uploading them [12:31] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> He always volunteers... [12:32] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> He's obviously become very lazy. [12:33] <Totallyhypnosquid> I can Help if you want :3 [12:33] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> We should replace MG with Squid. Make him b-crat and all. [12:33] <Legodude101> Sure! You can replace MG in the NinjagoWikiTV team! [12:34] <Totallyhypnosquid> Omg [12:34] <Legodude101> @Meiko: Lets not go too extreme, shall we? :P [12:34] <Totallyhypnosquid> Thats too random [12:34] <Totallyhypnosquid> But okay :P [12:34] <Legodude101> Its enough hes gonna be replacing MG in NinjagoWikiTV. Lets not push it :P [12:34] <MisterGryphon> No you can't. [12:34] <Totallyhypnosquid> Can't what? [12:34] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> HAHA MG. WE KNEW YOU LURKED AS THE BOT [12:35] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And we just proved it [12:35] <Legodude101> ^ [12:35] <Totallyhypnosquid> :3 [12:35] <Totallyhypnosquid> Wait [12:35] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Successful success is successful [12:35] <Totallyhypnosquid> So I can't help you guys? [12:35] <Totallyhypnosquid> :P [12:35] <MisterGryphon> I'm still part of the YouTube team. It's just that Legodude banned me from uploading. [12:35] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> MG, we gotcha [12:36] <Legodude101> After that last soundtrack, im happy I did [12:36] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> We gotcha good [12:36] <Legodude101> Jay emailed right away [12:36] <Totallyhypnosquid> Wait so I can't help? [12:37] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I dunno [12:37] <Legodude101> Maybe. Depends on your video editing skills [12:37] <MisterGryphon> I want to upload more, but I'm never allowed to. I don't see why not. [12:37] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> What video editing program do you guys have/use? [12:37] <Totallyhypnosquid> Oh I can't video edit xD [12:37] <Totallyhypnosquid> I use Movie maker xD [12:38] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, what do you use? [12:38] <Legodude101> WMM [12:38] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Lol [12:38] <Legodude101> Gets the job done :P [12:38] <MisterGryphon> &gt;.&gt; Am I the only one with a real video editor? [12:38] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> This is what I use: http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere.html [12:38] <Totallyhypnosquid> I also Need a easy remix maker, Do you know any good programs? [12:38] <MisterGryphon> http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/ [12:38] <Legodude101> @MG: Youre not allowed because you dont know the term "Sync audio with Visual" [12:39] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> MG, I use an $800 video editor [12:39] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And I only edit a video like once a year. :P [12:39] <MisterGryphon> I don't know how much mine cost. [12:39] <MisterGryphon> I thought I was making something cool. Not just putting the song over the time it was played in. [12:40] <Legodude101> All you were doing is the magic art of "Ignoring" [12:40] <Legodude101> I told you what to do [12:40] <Legodude101> Exactly [12:40] <Legodude101> You ignored it, and did what you thought] [12:40] <MisterGryphon> Whoah, Legodude. Calm down. [12:40] <Legodude101> Well, doesnt matter now. Youre not making any more soundtracks, for me and Prot will [12:41] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> When CS6 came out, I just bought this: http://success.adobe.com/en/na/sem/products/creativesuite/mastercollection.html [12:41] <MisterGryphon> I'm the only staff member on here who has a life outside of LEGO. Forgive me for having other thoughts on my mind. [12:41] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, calm down [12:41] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> @MG, that's pretty harsh. You're implying LD, seeing as he's the only other staff on here... [12:41] <Legodude101> Im fine, just discussing the ole days [12:42] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> @LD, calm down. No need to get worked up [12:42] <Legodude101> Im not getting worked up, if you dont mind [12:42] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You're diction says otherwise [12:42] <Totallyhypnosquid> I'm gonna stay outta this. [12:42] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> *you [12:42] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> *your [12:44] <Legodude101> Well, the past is the past. Soon, Jay and or Kramer will send us some more Tracks, and we can do some good ole soundtrack-ing? :P [12:44] <MisterGryphon> .... [12:44] <MisterGryphon> Is there anything for me to make on the channel? [12:44] <Legodude101> *me and Prot will do some good ole soundtrack-ing? [12:44] <MisterGryphon> I asked if there was anything for me to make. [12:44] <Legodude101> Give me an idea, and I'll see if its worthy [12:45] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You guys should do event coverage [12:45] <MisterGryphon> Music video (to a different song that's not Ninjago) of some cool Ninjago battle moments? [12:45] <MisterGryphon> Dunno. [12:45] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Like Toy Fair, Comic-Con, etc [12:45] <MisterGryphon> I'm not bad at things like that. [12:45] <Legodude101> No [12:45] <Legodude101> The channel is for OFFICIAL Ninjago content [12:45] <Totallyhypnosquid> I'm going to comic con :3 [12:45] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> San Diego? [12:46] <MisterGryphon> It's the official channel for the Ninjago Wiki. I never read anything about official Ninjago content only. [12:46] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> ^true [12:46] <Legodude101> Fool of a took.... [12:46] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Guys [12:46] <Legodude101> "The official channel for the Ninjago Wiki, where we bring any Ninjago related content onto Youtube for all to enjoy." [12:46] <Legodude101> NINJAGO RELATED [12:46] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Just listen for a minute [12:46] <MisterGryphon> Music video (to a different song that's not Ninjago) of some cool Ninjago battle moments? [12:47] <MisterGryphon> How is that NOT Ninjago related? [12:47] <Legodude101> (to a different song that's not Ninjago) [12:47] <Legodude101> THATS NOT NINJAGO [12:47] <Legodude101> *ahem* [12:49] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You guys may not be happy with each other, and you've made that clear. I don't like some of my staff, but when discussing things that pertain to the site, I never get mad at them like this. We work together as a team. You guys need to do the same. Having a conflicted staff team is not healthy for yourselves or the wiki. I really don't care if you don't get along off-site, but not only is your conflict effecting the site negatively but it is setting a bad example for your users. [12:49] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> MG, I hope you see that through the bot's account. [12:50] <Legodude101> Yea, but when I tell the guy SPECIFICALLY what to do, and he goes all off-balance and makes some hibby-jiobby montage of randomness, am I supposed to say "Good job?" [12:51] <Ninjana> You can... gently correct and encourage? [12:51] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> No. You are supposed to take care of it and specifically make sure he understands what he did wrong, and when you see that he acknowledges it, then you are good. [12:51] <Legodude101> I did the first time [12:51] <Legodude101> The second time I had it [12:52] <Legodude101> With his ignorance and told him "If youre not gonna listen, so be it" [12:52] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Still, it's not good to have conflicts like this with you're acquaintances. [12:52] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You need to work it out together. [12:52] <NinjagoBot> Maybe I didn't understand? [12:53] <Legodude101> 2 times in a row [12:53] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Yes. Like I said. Make sure that he clearly acknowledges and understands what he was doing wrong. [12:53] <Legodude101> I tried to teach you the first time, you obviously dont listen. [12:54] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Maybe it wasn't clear what you were asking? [12:54] <Legodude101> I clearly told him what he did was wrong, and what its supposed to be in syncing audio and visual. I reminded him prior to publishing his second soundtrack attempt, he just ignored it yet again [12:54] <Legodude101> I even showed him examples of different soundtracks [12:54] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Did he acknowledge that he understood? [12:54] <Legodude101> Yes [12:54] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Sorry, I should direct that at MG [12:55] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> MG, did you understand? [12:55] <Legodude101> This is pointless. We settled that MG is no longer making soundtracks. If you excuse me, I have a orcs to smash [12:56] <Totallyhypnosquid> Whats going on? [12:56] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> This site needs some serious help if you guys can't get along. And if you can't even have a mediation. [12:56] <NinjagoBot> I really don't think that it's been settled. [12:57] <Legodude101> It has, a long time ago [12:57] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I'm sorry, but if you can't take my help LD, I don't see how I'm supposed to give you help in the future. [12:57] <Totallyhypnosquid> Guys [12:57] <Legodude101> I told you that you had youre chances, and that if youre not gonna listen so be it [12:57] <Totallyhypnosquid> Please don't figt :c [12:57] <Totallyhypnosquid> *Fight [12:57] <Ninjana> @ Totallyhypnosquid Issues in management. [12:57] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Squid, you should stay out of this. [12:57] <Totallyhypnosquid> OKay. [12:57] <Legodude101> Im not. Im just stating that is it what it is [12:58] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You're being selfish and ignorant. You aren't 100% in the right you know. [12:58] <Flowerpower223> ello [12:59] <Legodude101> Heya Salt! [12:59] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Flower, whatever you do, don't join in on this argument [12:59] <SaltNPepper> Hello! [12:59] <Legodude101> Hows it goin? [12:59] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Salt, you too [12:59] <Totallyhypnosquid> Salt PM [12:59] <Totallyhypnosquid> I'll tell you [12:59] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> We're working something out [12:59] <SaltNPepper> I'm not one to argue. [12:59] <MisterGryphon> This really isn't for anyone else but Meiko, Legodude and I. [12:59] <Legodude101> Im not continuing this argument any longer [12:59] <Ninjana> Hey guys, we have little argument issues here (that I'm not in) [01:15] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> But LD, can you civilly come to a compromise with Gryphon? [01:15] <Totallyhypnosquid> Okay, I really hate seeing staff/Friends fight, You should stop til something bad happens. :c [01:15] <Totallyhypnosquid> *in case [01:15] <Vector E. Cramp> So what's going on anyway? [01:16] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> We're arguing to prevent something bad from happening. That's the point of this [01:16] <Vector E. Cramp> Hang on, consulting the bot's log is probably the best way..... [01:16] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD is mad at Gryphon [01:16] <Vector E. Cramp> Wait, where IS the bot? :I [01:16] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> MG turned it off [01:16] <Legodude101> No, I'm just trying to restore the good peace of the chat [01:16] <MisterGryphon> You can't have peace if not everyone is satisfied. [01:16] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You're only hurting it, LD. [01:17] <Legodude101> Im trying to end this silly talk [01:17] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Not coming to a compromise and ignoring the problem at hand is what's hurting this chat [01:17] <Legodude101> Or if anything, wait it out [01:17] <MisterGryphon> It's not silly! Can you PLEASE act like a professional for once? [01:17] <Ninjana> Look, if BOTH of you don't compromise, this won't be solve. Compromise to release tense and discuss in a civilised way how to fix this. Even if you think you're right, admitting fault helps. [01:17] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> It's hurting the chat, the staff, and the community [01:18] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> If you wait it out, the problem waits. It doesn't go away and the site continues like it is right now. [01:18] <Vector E. Cramp> ^ [01:18] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You can't just ignore a problem [01:18] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Life doesn't work like that [01:19] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, please. Find a way to work this out. This all started because Gryphon had one two few chances to upload things to the YouTube? Why don't you give him one more chance? Fair? [01:19] <Vector E. Cramp> Okay, so from I see from the log is that LD won't let MG upload anything. Is that right? [01:19] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Because I'm tired of waiting for you two to compromise. I'll make the compromise for you. [01:19] <Legodude101> Ok, whatever. But I have 3 things to state before we continue [01:19] <Legodude101> 1. I am NOT giving MG B'crat [01:19] <Legodude101> 2. I will only consider giving him another chance if he can actually PROVE himself, and do it PROPERLY [01:19] <Legodude101> *2 [01:20] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Give him another chance, and give a reason why you will never give him B-Crat? [01:20] <MisterGryphon> I have proof that you promised me bureaucrat. [01:20] <Legodude101> Things change [01:20] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Because I see no reason why you have the right to make a permanent decision like that [01:20] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> It's selfish [01:21] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> It's inconsiderate [01:21] <MisterGryphon> Things don't change overnight. [01:21] <Legodude101> Well, sure then. MG, make a soundtrack of True Potential. [01:21] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And it's a quality of a tyrant-like admin [01:21] <Ninjana> Don't go blaming Meiko. [01:21] <Ninjana> Well, maybe I wasn't clear. Meiko, don't blame like that. [01:21] <Legodude101> Dont uploaded it to NinjagoWikiTV. Just to youre channel, unlisted [01:21] <Legodude101> I'll check it [01:21] <MisterGryphon> You can't just say that you don't want me as a bureaucrat anymore. [01:21] <Vector E. Cramp> I'd have to agree with Meiko [01:22] <Aamare100> hey guys [01:22] <Legodude101> Hello [01:22] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, if you don't make a fair compromise, I have very few options left [01:22] <Aamare100> listening to your soundtracks awesome [01:22] <MisterGryphon> Legodude, give me a link to the track and the episode which it came from, please. [01:22] <Totallyhypnosquid> Aamare, Stay outta this conversation plz :c it's getting Rather terrib;e [01:22] <Totallyhypnosquid> *Terrible. [01:22] <Aamare100> ? [01:22] <Aamare100> what [01:22] <Legodude101> @MG: Tick Tock [01:23] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, one of my next resorts will be to contact Wikia. If you can't come to a compromise you need a new staff team [01:23] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> One that gets along [01:23] <Aamare100> when can i return? [01:23] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> One that can move forward from a problem by working together [01:23] <Totallyhypnosquid> No you can stay [01:23] <Totallyhypnosquid> Just Don't try to annoy them :c [01:23] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Aamare, just don't comment [01:23] <Aamare100> ok? [01:24] <Aamare100> im playing ps3 to so i might not see any messages [01:24] <Ninjana> That's not fair he came to chat. [01:24] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And LD, if you continue to run this site as a tyrany in which you rule, you do not deserve to have admin rights Brickipedia or The Chima Wiki. [01:24] <Legodude101> @Meiko: I told you im not giving MG B'crat. Because he once told me he only wants it so he can be invincible [01:24] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Was he joking? [01:24] <Legodude101> Nope [01:24] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And you know that how? [01:25] <Legodude101> He wanted it so he can do what he wants and not worry about me demoting him [01:25] <MisterGryphon> I was partly joking, partly because Legodude threatened my rights. [01:25] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Do you have evidence of that? [01:25] <Legodude101> Because you were abusing them [01:25] <MisterGryphon> I wasn't abusing anything. [01:25] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, another thing [01:25] <Legodude101> O rly. [01:25] <Vector E. Cramp> Hang on, let me find the log from that. [01:25] <Legodude101> So when you invited users just to kick for fun, that isnt abusing? [01:25] <Totallyhypnosquid> I actually remember something like that... but he wasn't exactly ABUSING... [01:26] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> If you continue to act like this and treat your coworkers like this, I won't allow you to be an admin on The Chima Wiki. [01:26] <MisterGryphon> You banned them for not liking Ninjago. [01:26] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I can't trust you [01:26] <MisterGryphon> That's abuse. [01:26] <Legodude101> MG, they were trolls [01:26] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> MG, if you supply me with a log of that [01:26] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I will contact Wikia [01:26] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Because that's not acceptable [01:26] <Legodude101> We dont have it. The bot wasnt around at the time [01:26] <MisterGryphon> They WERE NOT TROLLS. [01:26] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, how do you know they were trolls [01:26] <MisterGryphon> Fun fact, they're friends of mine. [01:27] <Totallyhypnosquid> guys, you should really go Argue in a empty chat, because it'll ruin this one :c [01:27] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Again, do you have evidence? [01:27] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Squid, you aren't helping [01:27] <Legodude101> Nope. We dint have the bot, like I said [01:27] <Totallyhypnosquid> Sorry. [01:27] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You're only kindling the fire [01:27] <Totallyhypnosquid> Sorry :c [01:28] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, you can't punish someone without evidence [01:28] <Legodude101> Also, remember the time you used your other account and pretended he was someone else? And you said it was a "game? [01:28] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> It's against their constitutional rights [01:28] <Legodude101> *"game"? [01:28] <Legodude101> I did have proof. They trolled on chat [01:28] <Legodude101> I saw it [01:28] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> How? [01:28] <MisterGryphon> How did they troll? [01:28] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> How can you tell if they are trolling [01:28] <Legodude101> They were like "Ninjago Ewww" [01:29] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> That's not trolling [01:29] <Legodude101> It is [01:29] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> That's showing disinterest [01:29] <MisterGryphon> That's an opinion. [01:29] <Legodude101> This is a NINJAGO wiki [01:29] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Trolling is completely seperate [01:29] <MisterGryphon> They're my friends, they're not here to troll. [01:29] <Legodude101> When you come on, and the first thing you said is "Ninjago eww", thats pretty darn trolling alright [01:29] <Legodude101> *they [01:29] <MisterGryphon> But I know that they're not trolls. [01:30] <Legodude101> But what did was trolling. Not to mention you could have at least TOLD ME [01:30] <Legodude101> *what they did [01:30] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, you have very bad judgement it appears. [01:30] <MisterGryphon> What do you mean? I was supposed to tell you that 3 of my friends were getting on right before they got on? [01:30] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You let your assumptions lead your actions [01:30] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> When you have a responsibility like being an admin, you can't act like that [01:31] <Vector E. Cramp> ^ [01:31] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You have to be fair without judgement or prejudice. [01:31] <Legodude101> When MG told me was gonna use his "sock" account as a "Kicking Dummmy", did he warn me? [01:31] <Legodude101> Nope [01:31] <MisterGryphon> But why should I have warned you? [01:31] <Legodude101> He used it as a game, to pretend it was someone else [01:31] <Legodude101> Oh, I dont know [01:31] <Legodude101> ITS BREAKING THE RULES [01:31] <MisterGryphon> I was gathering group perception. I was not using it for malicious intent. [01:32] <Legodude101> What you did was sock-puppetry [01:32] <Legodude101> Using an account and pretending its not you [01:32] <MisterGryphon> I was not using it for malicious intent or to evade a ban. [01:32] <Vector E. Cramp> Ld, you used socks countless times :P [01:33] <Legodude101> But did I ever use them here? [01:33] <Legodude101> No [01:33] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD. Here's a very honest question, and MG, don't take this as an offense. LD, if you had so many of these "incidents" back then, why did you make MG an admin? [01:33] <Legodude101> All those events happened when he had Admin [01:33] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Because from what it sounds, you're saying you're mature, and he's never been. [01:34] <Legodude101> We all make our little mistakes, but MG makes too many big ones [01:34] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And from my experience, and the views told in this argument, he's been very mature and acted like a responsiblity [01:34] <Vector E. Cramp> *facepalm* And you haven't LD? [01:34] <MisterGryphon> I don't make mistakes in the eyes of Wikia. [01:34] <MisterGryphon> Only in your opinion have I done anything wrong. [01:35] <Legodude101> I never kicked people for fun, I never made an account and pretended it wasnt me for fun. Who did that? You. [01:35] <Legodude101> Well, besides the LU wiki of course [01:35] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, in all honesty, you have no right to say that you are a responsible admin, because by joining you've violated Wikia policy. You violated your own policy, and you expect others to follow it when they are led by such a bad example? [01:35] <MisterGryphon> What do you mean "besides the LU wiki" [01:35] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> He was very immature there [01:36] <MisterGryphon> That's like saying you've never hurt anyone but you've kicked a puppy. [01:36] <Legodude101> I did use socks on the LU wiki. But that was a year ago [01:36] <MisterGryphon> That doesn't mean it didn't happen. [01:36] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I have accounts from primary witnesses [01:36] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> "LD, in all honesty, you have no right to say that you are a responsible admin, because by joining you've violated Wikia policy. You violated your own policy, and you expect others to follow it when they are led by such a bad example?" [01:36] <MisterGryphon> Yes Meiko, I witnessed it too. [01:36] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Okay [01:37] <Vector E. Cramp> Who said that? [01:37] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Me [01:37] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I quoted myself, because that contradicts his entire argument [01:38] <Vector E. Cramp> Well than I agree with you 100%! [01:38] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Which if Salt was willing to, has full right to demote LD for that [01:38] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Salt could end this now. [01:38] <Vector E. Cramp> She can't. Only wikia can demote B'crats [01:38] <Totallyhypnosquid> I'm sorry to Interrupt once again, But I don't understand why this keeps going on, what I'm seeing is a "You did this" then "Oh yeah? you did this" arguement and it's getting really off hand, I'd ask politely to apologize to eachother [01:38] <Legodude101> Only if everyone approves [01:38] <Legodude101> @Vec [01:39] <Legodude101> @Squid: Im with Squid on that one [01:39] <Vector E. Cramp> Treu [01:39] <Vector E. Cramp> *True [01:39] <Totallyhypnosquid> This is really silly, It just started because of YT videos :/ it's very childish, and I don't think anyone likes it. [01:39] <Legodude101> Yup [01:39] <MisterGryphon> It goes beyond that. [01:40] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I will contact Wikia. LD, I'm sorry but you've become ruthless and I have clear evidence of your violations. You have no right having an admin right here. [01:40] <Legodude101> Woah, woah woah. Cant we compromise? [01:40] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I triefd [01:40] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> *tried [01:40] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You refused [01:40] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Many times [01:40] <Totallyhypnosquid> Haven't we tried that millions of times? [01:40] <MisterGryphon> You have been refusing to compromise for the last half hour. [01:40] <Legodude101> Well its never too late, hm? [01:40] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> It is now [01:41] <Legodude101> Ok, if it means giving MG b'crat, so be it [01:41] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You've proven yourself irresponsible [01:41] <MisterGryphon> Legodude, nothing will fix this now. [01:41] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And can I quote you? [01:41] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> "It's over. Now." [01:41] <Totallyhypnosquid> Okay, [01:41] <Totallyhypnosquid> Lets just do this, [01:41] <Legodude101> Its because I was concerned of Salt [01:41] <Totallyhypnosquid> Apologize to each other. [01:41] <MisterGryphon> Stop making excuses. Please. [01:41] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Make MG B'crat if that fixes it in your eyes [01:41] <Vector E. Cramp> What does Salt have to do with this? [01:42] <MisterGryphon> Absolutely nothing. [01:42] <Legodude101> Ok, I'm sorry. This argument was really silly, I dont know why I ignored it [01:42] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> How about this? [01:43] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Since I've learned only Wikia can demote B'crats [01:43] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Make MG b'crat [01:43] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> What harm can it cause you? [01:43] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> None [01:43] <Legodude101> One step at a time, please. [01:43] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You suggested it... [01:43] <MisterGryphon> Legodude, no. You can't have your cake and eat it too. [01:43] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> " 8:41 Legodude101 Ok, if it means giving MG b'crat, so be it" [01:44] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Do what you said, eh? [01:44] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Ruthless leader does as HE says. [01:44] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> So do it. [01:44] <Legodude101> I want to strengthen my relationship with MG first [01:44] <Legodude101> No conclusion jumping [01:44] <MisterGryphon> There is no strengthening of any relationship. [01:44] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Don't lie to your staff. Get it done by 10pm EST [01:44] <MisterGryphon> I do not like, trust, or want to be around you. [01:44] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> That's an hour and 15 minutes [01:44] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I expect it done [01:45] <Legodude101> Meiko! [01:45] <MisterGryphon> That doesn't mean we can't have a perfectly fine relationship professionally. [01:45] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, do it [01:45] <Legodude101> I cant! If I do, it will wreck the Wiki! [01:45] <Legodude101> Me and MG will fight! [01:45] <Legodude101> And the wiki will be our battleground [01:45] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> If you don't you will have lied to your community [01:45] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And you already do fight [01:45] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You fight because it isn't equal [01:45] <MisterGryphon> The only difference between this one and the LU battle will be that I don't resort to vandalism and swearing to fix arguments. [01:45] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> So that can be resolved [01:45] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Demote yourself, or promote him [01:46] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> If you do what Legodude? [01:46] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Please stay out of this. :) [01:46] <Legodude101> No, I cant do either. Can we agree to something else, please? [01:46] <Vector E. Cramp> LONG story [01:46] <MisterGryphon> He's my brother. He can handle this conversation. [01:46] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD. Do it [01:46] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You can't just continue to lie to your users [01:46] <Legodude101> Promoting him will destroy the wiki. Demoting me will make the wiki fall to pieces [01:46] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Someone explain to MG's brother what is happening [01:46] <Vector E. Cramp> How? [01:46] <MisterGryphon> So you believe me to be unfit and yourself the ultimate leader? [01:47] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, it can't cause any harm [01:47] <Legodude101> Thats why I recruited Salt. So she can help [01:47] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> MG has already proved himself more responsible than you, so it can't do any harm [01:47] <Legodude101> No, but we will fight! Thats the ultimate issue [01:47] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> How about this? Make a few people B'Crat [01:47] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD [01:47] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> YOU ALREADY ARE FIGHTING [01:47] <Legodude101> Now thats just going overboard [01:47] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You're fighting because you aren't fair to your community [01:48] <MisterGryphon> There will be no fighting. I can maintain a professional relationship with someone I don't like, unlike yourself. [01:48] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, I have had a strong relationship with you and MG, so if there were to be something wrong, I can get it solved [01:48] <Legodude101> I say we just apologize for this fight, shake hands, and make sure fighting becomes the last resort [01:48] <MisterGryphon> Last I recall, you drove Casey away because he didn't trust you. [01:48] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Contacting Wikia isn't hard. I've done it before [01:48] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Many times [01:48] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And they've fulfilled my requests all but one times [01:48] <Legodude101> @MG: Not true [01:48] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> *time [01:49] <MisterGryphon> Legodude, I refuse to forgive you again. This time I want MY WAY because it's what's FAIR. [01:49] <Legodude101> But it will ruin this wiki! I tell you. [01:49] <Totallyhypnosquid> OKay, You all take a deep breathe I don't like how you are comparing with each other, NOW it's "If I do this this will happen" "No it's not" "Yes It will" [01:49] <MisterGryphon> How can it hurt anything? [01:49] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, you've damaged your relationship with your community. All who agree please say so [01:49] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Stupid beer adds.... [01:49] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> So [01:49] <MisterGryphon> @Meiko - Yes. [01:49] <Legodude101> It will hurt EVERYTHING. We will fight with eachother. We will make everyone flee this place because of us [01:49] <Vector E. Cramp> LD? Who on earth will it ruin the wiki? [01:49] <Vector E. Cramp> *How [01:50] <MisterGryphon> It's not going to do ANYTHING. [01:50] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Vec, do you agree with me? [01:50] <Legodude101> Me and MG will both. With our fights [01:50] <Legodude101> I cant take the risk. [01:50] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> You already are [01:50] <Vector E. Cramp> How? [01:50] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Because they won't stop [01:50] <MisterGryphon> There will be no fights IF I GET MY WAY. [01:50] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD. [01:50] <MisterGryphon> You can't just keep apologizing and never following through with your promises. [01:50] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> If you don't make a fair compromise, these fights you're so worried about will continue [01:50] <Vector E. Cramp> ^ [01:50] <Totallyhypnosquid> Yes,this arguement it will ruin the wiki, I never seen something as ridiculous as this, No offense [01:50] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> The wiki is going to get torn apart by people who agree with LD and people who agree with MG [01:51] <Legodude101> Is there anything else we can possibly agree to? [01:51] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, if you are worried about MG ruining the wiki, I have to say, you've already done so [01:51] <MisterGryphon> Demote yourself. [01:51] <MisterGryphon> I'm fine with that. [01:51] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Like I said [01:51] <Legodude101> Lets be civilized, please [01:51] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> I'm glad i came now this is getting interesting [01:51] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Demote yourself or promote gryphon [01:51] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, you are the only one NOT being civil [01:51] <Legodude101> No, I cant accept either. [01:51] <Totallyhypnosquid> Okay. [01:52] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Someone breif Prot on the situation [01:52] <Vector E. Cramp> Ah, Mr Prodo! [01:52] <Totallyhypnosquid> How about I PM Proto about this ridiculous thing. [01:52] <Legodude101> This is too much to decide in one day [01:52] <MisterGryphon> No it's not. [01:52] <MisterGryphon> FACE IT. [01:52] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD. Decide [01:52] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Now [01:52] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Or you will have lied to your entire community. [01:52] <MisterGryphon> You have two choices RIGHT NOW. Choose one or Wikia will do it for you. [01:52] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Who's ruining the site now, eh? [01:53] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I have the email to Wikia drafted already LD. [01:53] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Decide [01:53] <Legodude101> What do you want fro me? Anything but demoting me and promoting MG [01:53] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Who knows if the movie "The Selling" and if it's any good? [01:53] <Legodude101> Please, I dont want it to end like this [01:53] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I will also be contacting Brickipedia to let the know that you are an irresponsible leader. [01:53] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, it's gonna end like this [01:53] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Don't be dramatic [01:53] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You suggested it [01:53] <Legodude101> I cant decide. I dont know [01:54] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Promote him [01:54] <Legodude101> I need time. Not 1 hour [01:54] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Holy chicken feed that's a lot of ads [01:54] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You stay the same, LD, he's happy [01:54] <MisterGryphon> If you decide in one hour, you have fifteen minutes to follow through. [01:54] <MisterGryphon> 6 minutes, actually. [01:54] <SaltNPepper> The very least we could do is let LD decide over the course of a couple of days, and not just an hour. An hour is unreasonable. [01:54] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Promoting him won't damage the site any more than you have yourself [01:54] <Legodude101> I need a lot more then that mind you. I need at least a week [01:54] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> 3 days? [01:55] <MisterGryphon> You don't have a week. Face it NOW. You've had MONTHS since this has been going on. [01:55] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> How about 7 minutes [01:55] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Decide by Monday. And if I see a fight between you two in the meantime, you'll have to decide then [01:55] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> [01:55] <Totallyhypnosquid> Please Stop [01:55] <Totallyhypnosquid> just stop this arguement [01:55] <Totallyhypnosquid> I had enough of it! [01:55] <MisterGryphon> Squid. Please stop. [01:55] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Then leave. It's your ability [01:56] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You have the right to leave if you don't like it [01:56] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Spongebob movie! [01:56] <MisterGryphon> One user's feelings can't stop a decision that will affect the wiki forever. I'm sorry. [01:56] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, you've flat out lied to your staff and community multiple times tonight. You need to end this [01:56] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Why can't LD choose both? [01:56] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Demote himself then promote MG [01:57] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Or maybe the other way around [01:57] <Legodude101> There is another way we can end this! [01:57] <Legodude101> There has to be [01:57] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> There is [01:57] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Make everyone happy [01:57] <Legodude101> A way that makes us all happy [01:57] <MisterGryphon> Think fast, Lego boy. [01:58] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, if you and MG compromise, it's over [01:58] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Noooooooooooooo [01:58] <Legodude101> I can do that. But not in the ways of demoting or promoting [01:58] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> File doesn't exist? What is this madness [01:58] <MisterGryphon> And what idea do you put forward? [01:58] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Right now, your suggestion, which sounded the best, was to promote MG. Now you don't even agree with yourself. What's wrong with you? [01:59] <Vector E. Cramp> BRB [01:59] <Legodude101> I can swear that if we ever fight, EVER that I will NEVER get rights on the Chima wiki. [02:00] <MisterGryphon> You haven't even made an account there yet. [02:00] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> You are fighting right now [02:00] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I'm sorry but I don't think I can give you those any time soon, LD. Not after tonight [02:00] <Legodude101> @MG: I have an account [02:00] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Not on chima.brickcraft.me [02:01] <Legodude101> I think we're getting somewhere, arent we? MG, any ideas of yours? [02:01] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Salt, where do you stand on this? (jury moment here) Do you agree with LD or MG? [02:01] <SaltNPepper> Neither, to be honest. [02:01] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Then what do you suggest we do? [02:02] <Legodude101> I have another idea [02:02] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Supply it [02:02] <Aamare100> im back guys [02:02] <Legodude101> MG becomes Head Admin here [02:02] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And what happens to you? [02:02] <Totallyhypnosquid> Padmec PM [02:02] <Padmec3po> Hi! :D [02:02] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Someone brief padmec on thes [02:02] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> *this [02:02] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Thanks [02:02] <Padmec3po> What? [02:03] <Aamare100> g2g byeguys [02:03] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I am lawyer here, LD is plaintiff, MG is defendant [02:03] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Simple [02:03] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> So LD, back to your idea? [02:03] <Totallyhypnosquid> I feel like I'm the Recap person :P [02:04] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> ^you're the journalist [02:04] <MisterGryphon> No head admin. Only bureaucrat. [02:04] <Legodude101> I dont know, really. Letting MG be head admin is enough, no? [02:04] <MisterGryphon> Head admin isn't even a real position. [02:04] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Make him B'crat [02:04] <Vector E. Cramp> head admin? [02:04] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> That makes you equal [02:04] <MisterGryphon> It doesn't fix anything, either. [02:04] <Legodude101> MG, if we want to agree, you gotta co-op with some of my ideas [02:04] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> If you're worried about him being irresponsible, and you suggest to make him a higher rank than you? That's ridiculous [02:05] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I feel you don't know what you're talking about LD. [02:05] <Vector E. Cramp> Such as? [02:05] <MisterGryphon> That wasn't an idea, it was an absolute solution. [02:05] <Legodude101> We need to come an agreement that makes us ALL happy. Including me. [02:05] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, that's part of being a staff team. The part you've ignored. Cooperation is something I've never seen from you. [02:06] <Vector E. Cramp> ^ [02:06] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And you expect others to follow a request like that? [02:06] <Totallyhypnosquid> Meta metal PM [02:06] <Totallyhypnosquid> Kaifan PM [02:06] <MisterGryphon> You generally treat this wiki and it's community like a dictatorship. [02:06] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Exactly. [02:06] <Vector E. Cramp> ^ [02:06] <Vector E. Cramp> When a wiki is supposed to be a democracy. [02:06] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, this site really needs to be closer to communism. A group of leaders, and a group of equal citizens [02:07] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> communism? [02:07] <Legodude101> Lets just continue on making ideas that will make us all happy [02:07] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> The only democratic idea that should be here is elected officials by the people [02:07] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> What about democracy [02:07] <Totallyhypnosquid> I have to recap this stuff for everyone it's crazy! But I'm okay with it. [02:08] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Marxist communism =/= Stalin/Trotskey Communism [02:08] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> We want communism at it's roots, before the idea was corrupted by soviet russia in their revolution [02:08] <MisterGryphon> ^ [02:09] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> I think MG should have equal rights as LD, and that we should not elect any more staff by their posts, but by their responsibility and maturity [02:09] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Fair? [02:09] <Legodude101> All I'm concerned about is that our fights will continue [02:09] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> There will be no fights with equality [02:10] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Have a system of checks and balances like the US government. Have a few B'Crats. [02:10] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Not just 2 or 3 [02:10] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> What does XING on a road sign mean? [02:10] <MisterGryphon> Crossing. [02:10] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Oh [02:10] <MisterGryphon> X = a kind of cross, I think. [02:10] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> It implies cross [02:11] <Totallyhypnosquid> ^ [02:11] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Back on topic please [02:11] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Ok [02:11] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> So LD, does my idea work? It's fair for both of you, and the community [02:11] <Legodude101> I dont find it fair [02:12] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And find at least one more B'crat along with MG, so that if there are fights, you won't have to worry about corruption by a single staff [02:12] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Who votes it as fair? [02:12] <Totallyhypnosquid> I think it's fair. [02:12] <Legodude101> There must be another way [02:12] <Legodude101> Anything? [02:12] <MisterGryphon> NO. [02:12] <Padmec3po> ..... [02:12] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> This is the other way [02:12] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You keep asking for other ways [02:12] <Padmec3po> Uh....... [02:13] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> It's like in court, you can only appeal once [02:13] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You've appealed [02:13] <MisterGryphon> May I present a few people that might also be acceptable bureaucrats? User:Admiral Neo User:Feathertail Millie User:Xalios Their editcounts are irrelevant, and I know that they'd be good for the job as I have extensive histories with two of them and one of them I consider my best friend. [02:13] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> This is the decision now [02:14] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, this is decided. Make MG B'crat, chose one of MG's listed people and make them b'crat, and change your promotion policy to their responsibility [02:14] <Legodude101> I'll make Neo B'crat then [02:14] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> And MD [02:14] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> *MG [02:14] <MisterGryphon> I doubt it should be Neo, however. [02:14] <MisterGryphon> He's not exactly active. [02:14] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> If you promote ranks by responsibility instead of edits, then you'll have more maturity and less fights [02:15] <MisterGryphon> Don't say anything about the other two - they'd both be very active if I asked them to be. [02:15] <Vector E. Cramp> What about ME?!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:15] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> LD, do you have suggestions on possible b'crats alongside MG? [02:15] <Totallyhypnosquid> You should also ASK them if they WANT to be Crat. [02:15] <MisterGryphon> They'd love to take the responsibility. [02:15] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Where did my slipper go D: [02:15] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> ^I think Vec would be a good b'crat [02:15] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> Oh. It's on my desk [02:15] <ProbablyAnElbanegrim> :P [02:16] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> Because this is agreed that this is the solution [02:16] <Legodude101> @Meiko: If you want to be truly fair, everyone should have what they want, no? [02:16] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> We had that opportunity [02:16] <MisterGryphon> If a majority of us want what Meiko and I have presented, then we get our way. [02:16] <Meiko: Legendary Glatorian> You ignored it, asked for alternative options, and then this was the alternate [02:17] <MisterGryphon> Unlike when you refused to switch to talk pages even though everyone supported it.