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- Approved by Toa Kopaka Nuva.
I propose that we re-divide the characters navbox into Ninjago and DR. We originally did it that way, but after the vote, the Dragons Rising navbox was removed, since at the time the new series didn't have that many characters. However, after the release of Season 2, there are more characters in the DR show and we have navboxes that contain much less information than we would in this one. The characters navbox is currently too long and, above all, very confusing. Since DR is a new series and may have new fans who aren't interested in the previous show (a survey by Netflix), I don't think it's a good idea to overwhelm them with information they don't need. I see no reason why all characters should be in just one navbox. Other wikis do this for new series as well. My suggestion is that characters appearing only in Dragons Rising would only have this new navbox on their page, characters appearing only in Ninjago would have the current navbox, and characters appearing in both series would have both navboxes. I don't think this is a problem as the rolled up navbox doesn't take up any space.
One of the arguments against it could be that we do not plan to do the same with other navboxes. However, the characters are the most important in-universe element of the series, and there are a lot of them, which is not the case with other navboxes. Perhaps this would also apply to the locations, but they are adequately divided into different sections and are clear. In conclusion, I think that such a solution would improve the clarity of navboxes, simplify access for new fans and help shorten the length of the current navbox, if only by a little.
- Current navbox with all the characters:
- New Dragons Rising character navbox:
- Support.
- Matt600 (talk) 15:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. It should also be noted that the movie characters have their own navigation box, unlike the locations, vehicles, and elements from the movies, which are listed together with those from the show. In essence, if we are accepting of this arrangement for the movie, we can apply it to Dragons Rising as well, particularly if the movie has fewer characters than Dragons Rising. Samurai viper (talk) 15:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- 100% support here. LuigiMaster41
Talk 🌟 16:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC) - Fishlover34 (talk) This would definitely make the character template more organized in my opinion.
- Oppose.
- I do not see anything "confusing" about the current navbox, it is long yes, but there is nothing "confusing" about it. The previous way we had it was confusing because it led to characters being listed multiple times. Also, even if the character navbox is the largest in-universe navbox, I still see no reason to treat it differently than other in-universe navboxes. Also, regarding the "other wikis do that for different shows as well" thing, not all wikis do that, Ben 10 Wiki for example does not have separate navboxes for the four series in the original continuity.Ninja72 (talk) 15:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral.
- I'm split on this. There are way too many names placed in that nav box to make for easy navigation by anyone, but splitting by shows almost seems like a temporary solution. I'm wondering if we need more broader community input on this. Is it more valuable to list all characters or the few closest related in a nav box? --Toa Kopaka Nuva (talk) 03:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comments
Ninja72, there is just so much information that it is hard to find anything in it. Yes, it is in an alphabetical order so it isn't really that hard but when you look at it LOOKS confusing, unclear, and long. And I didn't say that all the other wikis do it, just some of them (Game of Thrones, Disney, etc.)
Samurai viper, great point with the movie navbox, I didn't even realize that. Now it really doesn't make sense to me why we removed this DR navbox. Matt600 (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
For the movie thing, the movie is different since it is set in a different continuity and as such, you can not have a character listed in both navboxes. However, this is inconsistent with other movie things is a good point, so if this vote fails, I suggest we make a vote for the movie navbox with three options: split other navboxes by show/movie, merge the movie characters one, or leave it as it is.Ninja72 (talk) 16:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Long does not equal "confusing". Sure, since there are so many characters in the template, it might take a while for someone to get to the character they are looking for, but the template is very clearly organized by heroes/villains/neutral characters/creatures, so if someone is looking for a certain character, they will definitely know in which section to look. The previous way was confusing because there were way too many sections and some characters were listed twice or even three times.Ninja72 (talk) 17:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I know and I don’t suggest going back to the way it was eith different sections based on the characters’ affiliation. That’s not the point of this voting I only want to divide the current navbox. Matt600 (talk) 18:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I know you are not suggesting that, I was just saying that the current look of the template is not confusing.Ninja72 (talk) 18:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I understand. However it still looks confusing to me. But even if it wasn’t I still don’t see a problem with a new navbox for DR. I don’t think there are any cons of making it. Matt600 (talk) 18:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
What exactly looks "confusing" to you? if you are looking for a specific character, like Rapton for example, it is pretty clear he is going to be in the villains section, not in any other section. It might take a while to find the specific character, but that does not make it confusing.Ninja72 (talk) 18:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Well that’s my problem. If I’m looking for Rapton who is from DR why would I have to look at all the villains in the list from the whole franchise if I can have it much easier. It may not be as confusing as I might have stated above but it would be better to make it easier. I stiĺ don’t see what is the problem with the change. Matt600 (talk) 19:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
My main problem with it is that it would be inconsistent with other in-universe navboxes and the fact that we would have to list some characters in both navboxes. Ninja72 (talk) 04:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
I understand but I don't mind a little inconsistency if it's in favor of easier access. Characters are a bit different than not living things or locations in my opinion. I also don't see why it's a problem to list some characters in both navboxes as if rolled up, the navboxes don't take up much space. Matt600 (talk) 06:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
What would we do with characters from the original series that are only mentioned in Dragons Rising? Technically if they are mentioned, then they are Dragons Rising characters, the same way other mentioned only characters are Dragons Rising characters.Ninja72 (talk) 18:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't know but we can decide on that later. But personally, I think they can be listed. Matt600 (talk) 19:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
That would probably confuse people if they are included. You would get questions like "Why is X in this navbox? He/She/They never appeared in Dragons Rising." Although not including them would be inconsistent with other mentioned characters, so there is a strong argument for both sides.Ninja72 (talk) 19:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Idk I'm just saying my opinion which isn't definitive as I didn't think about it before. It's something we should probably discuss but if the vote passes we should left them out for now. Matt600 (talk) 19:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
I know your opinion is not definitive, I just wanted to point out how there is a strong argument both for and against.Ninja72 (talk) 19:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Fair enough. I agree with you on this. Matt600 (talk) 20:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
New Infobox image for Nya by Vanboat
Nya needs an image of her in the climber suit. I propose this:
- Support.
- Vanboat
- SandNinjaGS
- Matt600 (talk) 06:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- LuigiMaster41
Talk 🌟 08:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose.
- Neutral.
- Comments
(Decide how we list villains) by Samurai viper
Uncertain about the duration of this situation, there is an ongoing matter concerning some of the characters' roles as villains or not, ranging from minor to major issues.
- When The Island came out, users kept adding the villain category for Ronin. But it gets removed, because it was just some random scheme he pulled to get money and less drastic compared to Shadow of Ronin. And for Kreel, she tried to sell dangerous artifacts, almost killed to Arin and Sora by having their mech explode, and resorting to kidnapping Lobbo for ransom money.
- Despite the fact that the Pyro Vipers were being controlled, Zachbarbo doesn't view them as villains. However, does Zachbarbo claim that the New Ninja are villains?
- Speaking of which, Ulysses Trustable and the New Ninja were perceived as villains by some users because they opposed the ninja and had them apprehended. This raises the question of whether it is fair to label them as villains when the ninja themselves broke the law by releasing Aspheera and causing property damage. Additionally, in Skybound, the ninja were falsely accused by Nadakhan, leading to their arrest by the police after being caught by Ronin, despite their pleas of innocence. Therefore, if Trustable and the New Ninja are considered villains, then the Ninjago Police should also be labeled as such. It is worth noting that the Police Commissioner would have pursued the ninja if his jurisdiction extended beyond Ninjago City.
- Ukraine and Israel will win a war once said Rapton cannot be considered redeemed simply because he claims to still hate the ninja. This does not provide enough evidence that he is returning to his villainous behavior. It only indicates that Rapton still holds animosity towards the ninja, placing him in a neutral position similar to the Skulkin and the Whack Rats. Are Skulkin and Whack Rats are genuinely redeemed or merely neutral with the ninja? You can even see Rapton associating with the other former oppressive Imperians, such as the Claw Hunters and Imperium Guards, as they come together with the Imperium Teen Resistance Force during a meeting led by Percival, who express his intention to collaborate in order to enhance Imperium for the greater good now that Beatrix is gone.
- Are we gonna label Levo as a villain simply because it has been confirmed that he harbors animosity towards the other realms, believing Imperium to be the supreme realm of all creation? This belief had led to the Kingdom of Imperium being a closed society, with Imperians having limited knowledge of other realms, resulting in them becoming self-absorbed, a sentiment even Ras detests.
- Furthermore, should we overlook the fact that the Lava-Tides, who entrusted by the First Spinjitzu Master to safeguard an ancient relic capable of saving the world from destruction, callously discarded said relic into a perilous pit due to their disdain for Wyldfyre, one of the ninja? These actions clearly demonstrates that Rapton's animosity towards the ninja pales in comparison to the deep-seated hatred Levo and the Lava-Tides hold towards other realms and Wyldfyre, respectively. Particularly alarming is the fact that it was shown that the Lava-Tides were willing to let the world perish solely to get back at Wyldfyre for trashing their village even after she cleaned it up.
- Despite capturing and locking up the ninja under false assumptions and planning to sacrifice them to Wojira to protect Ninjago, the Keepers are labeled as villains in The Island because they're portrayed as a villainous faction in the sets, while the Lava-Tides, who were willing to let the world end due to Wyldfyre's pranks, are not considered villains. If the Lava-Tides were portrayed as villains in the sets, would we start listing them as villains because the sets say so?
- Furthermore, should we overlook the fact that the Lava-Tides, who entrusted by the First Spinjitzu Master to safeguard an ancient relic capable of saving the world from destruction, callously discarded said relic into a perilous pit due to their disdain for Wyldfyre, one of the ninja? These actions clearly demonstrates that Rapton's animosity towards the ninja pales in comparison to the deep-seated hatred Levo and the Lava-Tides hold towards other realms and Wyldfyre, respectively. Particularly alarming is the fact that it was shown that the Lava-Tides were willing to let the world perish solely to get back at Wyldfyre for trashing their village even after she cleaned it up.
- Are we gonna label Levo as a villain simply because it has been confirmed that he harbors animosity towards the other realms, believing Imperium to be the supreme realm of all creation? This belief had led to the Kingdom of Imperium being a closed society, with Imperians having limited knowledge of other realms, resulting in them becoming self-absorbed, a sentiment even Ras detests.
So I propose one of these two options:
- Give the villains category to actual villains, not anti-villains or simply because they spite the ninja or the sets label them as such.
- Support.
- Oppose.
- Neutral.
- Replace the villains category with antagonist category
Also worth mentioning that we're okay with having a "main antagonist" category, and that we applied it to Ronin, unlike the villains category. This will also affect the redeemed villains and villainous factions categories, and the introduction when we name the villainous factions.
- Support.
- Oppose.
- Neutral.
- Comments
For the Keepers, I do not think we label them as villains just because of the sets, it is because they were willing to sacrifice Jay to Wojira and sacrificing someone to Wojira even if they were doing to save the world, sacrificing an innocent person to Wojira is a lot worse than what the real "villain" of The Island was doing.Ninja72 (talk) 05:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)