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  • I recently figured out that it would be odd for Zane to be an Elemental Master because he has no biological family so where'd he get the power of ice?

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    • I also noticed that  long before I saw this discusion

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    • Perhaps, Dr Julien was descendent of the Elemental Master of Ice, but he passed his powers to Zane, its just a theory

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    • but doctor julien is the crator of zane but he isnt his biological father so that is impossible

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    • Doctor Julien could have manadge to make a way for his elemental powers to go to Zane, remember that Zane's Power source is special, so his elemental powers had to come from there.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      but doctor julien is the crator of zane but he isnt his biological father so that is impossible


      Not necessarily. You could say, a nindroid having feelings and a heart is impossible. But in Ninjago, it is not. Doctor Julien felt a father-son bond with Zane, and that could easily be what passes down elemental power: parental love.

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    • does it matter?

      Zane is cool! in more ways then one

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    • ScottaHemi wrote:
      does it matter?

      Zane is cool! in more ways then one


      That isn't debated. It just bothers some people (including myself at one point).

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    • but the elemental power passes biologically love is not enough

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      but the elemental power passes biological love is not enough


      I do not understand what that means. Please use correct grammar. If you mean that "biological love" is not enough to qualify as a reason to pass on elemental power, then I don't see why it isn't. If an elemental master loves someone like their own child (in most cases if it is their own child), then the elemental power may recognize that and immediately pass to that person. After all, just as Zane showed us, it seems that elemental power is centered in one's heart.

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    • Sorry that means The elemental power passes biologically. Love is not enough

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    • Sorry about these stupid misunderstandings. I will use punctunation marks from now on.

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    • Maybe Zane's "heart" contains something from the previous Master of Ice (perhaps Dr. Julien). The power of ice may be what keeps Zane running.

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    • DarkHenrik wrote: Doctor Julien could have manadge to make a way for his elemental powers to go to Zane, remember that Zane's Power source is special, so his elemental powers had to come from there.

      It's is true but no one knows HOW it was given the element of ice,actually, the more clearer one is:

      • dr Julien should have gave it to Zane,but after he died maybe Samukai made him forget about his power.
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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      Sorry that means The elemental power passes biological. Love is not enough


      Oh, ok. But we don't necessarily know it is biological. In every biological connection, there is love, so we cannot rule it out yet.

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    • Ninjarocks wrote:

      DarkHenrik wrote: Doctor Julien could have manadge to make a way for his elemental powers to go to Zane, remember that Zane's Power source is special, so his elemental powers had to come from there.

      It's is true but no one knows HOW it was given the element of ice,actually, the more clearer one is:
      • dr Julien should have gave it to Zane,but after he died maybe Samukai made him forget about his power.

      Well, in addition, those in their elderly stage occasionally forget things. So, the elixer that Samukai gave Dr. Julien may have just given him life, not much memory. After all, all he needed him for was to build/design vehicles.

      I personally think that Elemental Power can pass on if a person is close enough to death that they themselves cannot use it anymore. It makes sense if Zane's Elemental Power makes up a part of his heart.

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    • You know, as we know that elemental powers can pass a generation, its possible that Dr. Julien was not born with  elemental powers, and that could be the reason he made the special power source for Zane, so that he could be an elemental master (i know thats unlikely, but its possible) i mean, for all we know Dr. Julien might not have known that elemental powers could pass a generation, and instead he might have belived that with his birth, the powers where gone, so then he build Zane to be the new elemental master of ice.

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    • DarkHenrik wrote:
      You know, as we know that elemental powers can pass a generation, its possible that Dr. Julien was not born with  elemental powers, and that could be the reason he made the special power source for Zane, so that he could be an elemental master (i know thats unlikely, but its possible) i mean, for all we know Dr. Julien might not have known that elemental powers could pass a generation, and instead he might have belived that with his birth, the powers where gone, so then he build Zane to be the new elemental master of ice.


      Well, in your theory of the "Skipping a Generation" thing, it could be so. Dr. Julien may have not had any Elemental Power, and possibly didn't know anyone in his family did either. With that, Dr. Julien could've easily created Zane (with a power source), but during the building process, the Elemental Power of Ice flourished in him from Dr. Julien's love, giving Zane the ability to feel emotions and such.

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    • Perhaps destiny wanted that Zane to become the Master of Ice instead Dr Julien.

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    • Thegoldeninja2015 wrote:
      Perhaps destiny wanted that Zane to become the Master of Ice instead Dr Julien.


      Well, if Dr. Julien really wasn't the First Elemental Master of Ice, then it's obvious that destiny played its role. Destiny is what is meant to happen, so everything that happens in Ninjago is destiny.

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    • But remember there was a elemental master of ice before zane, just see the episode spellbound, and you would see him.

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    • Thegoldeninja2015 wrote:
      But remember there was a elemental master of ice before zane, just see the episode spellbound, and you would see him.


      Yes, I saw him. He may have been an uncle. But don't be fooled by attire, he may have not been the Master of Ice.

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    • I think it might be because In Shadow of Ronin Sensei Wu says "In your Heart you are a living thing" or something like that

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    • Agree

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    • LegoNinjagoLloyd234 wrote:
      I think it might be because In Shadow of Ronin Sensei Wu says "In your Heart you are a living thing" or something like that


      Ok, but that's not scientific at all. Just because someone believes that they can fly, does not mean that they can. I support the fact that Zane is alive (via his mysterious heart) and a decendant of an Elemental Master

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    • Maybe Dr.Julien gave Zane his powers but when his memory was erased, Zane forgot about his power source. This idea has a lot of hole though. In "Tick Tock", Zane never saw himself getting powers. Zane also could have got his powers before he was conscious so he never new a thing.

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    • Peacockspider wrote:
      Maybe Dr.Julien gave Zane his powers but when his memory was erased, Zane forgot about his power source. This idea has a lot of hole though. In "Tick Tock", Zane never saw himself getting powers. Zane also could have got his powers before he was conscious so he never new a thing.


      1. But how did Dr. Julien give him his powers?

      2. Well, yes, Zane forgot about his power source, along with the rest of his past. If you mean that he still doesn't remember his power source, then that doesn't make sense, as the memory switch should have fixed that.

      3. Though Zane was never showed with powers in the flashbacks, that doesn't mean he didn't have them. Zane saw his entire life when reactivating his memory, but the viewers only saw bits and pieces of milestones in his life, so he could have used his powers, but we just didn't see them in any of the flashbacks. Also, none of the ninja had their powers in the second season. Only with their Golden Weapons did they unlock their elements, so I doubt Zane was the only one that managed to unlock his powers in his early life.

      4. That is my own opinion, that Zane was actually powered by his elemental power. So he wasn't up and running until the elemental power passed on to him. In order for this to happen, the previous Master of Ice would've had to die (possibly an uncle or something).

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    • Unless its Concious of the Previous master of ice Transfered to a Robot Body. which could also explain why he has Emotions. He did Transfer his Concious to his Titanium Body so it is Possible

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    • LegoNinjagoLloyd234 wrote:
      Unless its Concious of the Previous master of ice Transfered to a Robot Body. which could also explain why he has Emotions. He did Transfer his Concious to his Titanium Body so it is Possible


      That would explain a lot, but makes no sense. No person (not even an Elemental Master) has ever been shown to be able to pass their concious to someone or something else.

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    • Honestly at this point i would probally Ask lego. this is really geatting no leads at all...

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    • LegoNinjagoLloyd234 wrote:
      Honestly at this point i would probally Ask lego. this is really geatting no leads at all...


      Lego probably doesn't know and doesn't care (no offense to them). It's a minor detail in their most popular theme, so most of the creators wouldn't have even thought about it.

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    • In cloud kingdom. Someone can write something and it just happen (for instance, Zane got his voice fixed with no explanation when one guy wrote that his voice would get fixed).

      So Zane could have the power of ice thanks to cloud kingdom?

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    • Zg28 wrote:
      In cloud kingdom. Someone can write something and it just happen (for instance, Zane got his voice fixed with no explanation when one guy wrote that his voice would get fixed).

      So Zane could have the power of ice thanks to cloud kingdom?


      Very true. But most people want an actual explanation. This one is just the backup explanation, should the rest of us not find a more fitting one.

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    • Maybe the powers of the elemental master of ice were passed down to zane instead dr. julien

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    • Thegoldeninja2015 wrote:
      Maybe the powers of the elemental master of ice were passed down to zane instead dr. julien


      Yes, that is possible, but doesn't answer the question. I suggest you reread the original post for a refresher.

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    • Maybe but like me and my friends say NINJAGO MAKES NO SENSE!!!

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    • PartywithVynil wrote:
      Maybe but like me and my friends say NINJAGO MAKES NO SENSE!!!


      Well I'm not sure what you mean by that. There is only a small fraction of the show that is unexplained.

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    • Well, maybe Dr. Julien put something inside Zane when he was creating him and that made Zane have powers.

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    • Superguy22 wrote: Well, maybe Dr. Julien put something inside Zane when he was creating him and that made Zane have powers.

      He is very strange nindroid. Maybe is really something very special in him.

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    • Ninja Jurius wrote:

      He is very strange nindroid. Maybe is really something very special in him.

      What do you mean by "very special"? We know he's a nindroid, so that's pretty special. We know that his power source doesn't have to be recharged like other nindroids, and therefore is unique/special. We also know that his power source/heart is connected to his Ice powers. Where is this "maybe"?

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    • my theory? zane used to be human but he died and so doctor julien got really sad and rebuilt him out of spare parts. he didn't remember who he was before and when doctor julien died he lied to zane because he was a replica of his son but zane didn't know that, and how about his power source? julien probably managed a way to harness the soul of the original master of ice and zane, so their literatly one in the same. that is how zane has ice powers. does it make sense?

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    • Lightning Chaser 1 wrote: my theory? zane used to be human but he died and so doctor julien got really sad and rebuilt him out of spare parts. he didn't remember who he was before and when doctor julien died he lied to zane because he was a replica of his son but zane didn't know that, and how about his power source? julien probably managed a way to harness the soul of the original master of ice and zane, so their literatly one in the same. that is how zane has ice powers. does it make sense?

      Maybe is it the reason why was Dr. Julien living alone in a tree in the middle of the forest. He was sad, alone (after human Zane's death) and he created Zane.

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    • Maybe your theory is correct but even if he was human and then he died and was rebuilt still how could he have superpowers? Well, my theory is like this. As it was shown in season 3, Zane couldn't do spinjitzu when he gave half his heart to PIXAL. So it must be that his powers come from his heart.

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    • And how did they get there? It's simple. Like I said before Dr. Julien could have put something in Zane's heart.

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    • Oh, boy, I think I have a theory to how Zane got his power. He could NOT have had it biologically passed down to him, as the powers are genetic, and I havent seen any flash back with an ice master, so the ONLY WAY I can think of is that Julien stole the ice master's ice power ( which he could have possibly been the ice master and stole his own power and gave it to Zane becase otherwise the power wouldnt be passed down and he would be the last ice master) and gave it to Zane somehow, and im not sure how but im thinking he used that elemental power staff to steal the power and give it to Zane. Its a possibility, but I just hope it isnt another PLOT HOLE.

      COME READ MAI THEORY :0 I GIVE CAKE 

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    • PartywithVynil wrote:
      Maybe but like me and my friends say NINJAGO MAKES NO SENSE!!!

      OH MAN I AGREE TOO

      NINJAGO IS MY FAVE SHOW BUT IT HAS SO MUCH PLOT HOLES AND EVENTS THAT MAKE NO SENSE


      its funny cuz I love ninjago, but its a terrible show sometimes(  REBOOTED >:0) and its TERRIBLE at romance and romance triangles, and  DOESNT KNOW WHAT BALANCE MEANS Sensei Wu: " We must restore balance ( by destroying ALL evil). 

      But dont get me wrong, I LOVE DA SHOW! :0` and they did a great job in the ghost season! :D

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    • To put these questions to rest. It is quite possible that Dr. Julien was a desendent of the master of ice, but he never had reason to awaken said power, and Zane was technically his son so the power was passed down to him

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    • Superguy22 wrote:
      Maybe your theory is correct but even if he was human and then he died and was rebuilt still how could he have superpowers? Well, my theory is like this. As it was shown in season 3, Zane couldn't do spinjitzu when he gave half his heart to PIXAL. So it must be that his powers come from his heart.

      but maybe doctor julien found a way to harness his ancestor's power, and put into a piece of hardware, an that is what powered zane. that's another segment to my theory.

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    • I'm not sure Dr. Julien knew he was a descendant, if he was one. He might have just found or have inherited Zane's power source. I think that his power source is definitely behind his power, but as far as what it is or where it comes from, I have no idea.

      It might be that the original master of ice was dying and Julien found him, but there was nothing he could do to help him. So fearing his power would be lost forever, because he didn't have descendants, he created the power source and asked The Dr. to make sure it would live on. Hence Zane being created to help people.

      But this raises another question... How'd he still have powers after he was destroyed? Did his half of the power source survive? Or was Pixal's half enough?

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    • The Aqua Ninja wrote: I'm not sure Dr. Julien knew he was a descendant, if he was one. He might have just found or have inherited Zane's power source. I think that his power source is definitely behind his power, but as far as what it is or where it comes from, I have no idea.

      It might be that the original master of ice was dying and Julien found him, but there was nothing he could do to help him. So fearing his power would be lost forever, because he didn't have descendants, he created the power source and asked The Dr. to make sure it would live on. Hence Zane being created to help people.

      But this raises another question... How'd he still have powers after he was destroyed? Did his half of the power source survive? Or was Pixal's half enough?

      OK, this is unknown, but, I have a question:

      Is it the core behind Zane's body a clue? Notice the core in these two pictures:

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      Do you see the core in this picture?

      Back

      The back of Zane 2.0 has the same core

      The two minifigures have one thing in common- the core, the core in the techno Zane is on his chest, but the Zane 2.0 also has the core, but the core is on Titanuim Zane's back. And there is a question, Why is it there?

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    • Ninja Jurius
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    • Maybe only for cool design.

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    • That's it! I give up! We'll have to wait till season 6 and hope they reveal it.

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    • Adding onto that core thing, back in 'Rebooted' Zane lost the ability to use Spinjitzu when he split his core to help power Pixal. So... that core is the source of his power.

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    • Yeah, we know that already. The question is why.

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    • And how did he rebuild it? And if he did, how did he get his powers again?

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    • And is anyone else annoyed that they ignored this fact all through season 4 and 5?
      KaiZane
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    • I mean, how did he get his powers back in the first place?

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    • TheFallenNinja wrote: And how did he rebuild it? And if he did, how did he get his powers again?

      In episode 27, PIXAL scanned zane's body, so his plans were in Borg Industries database.

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    • Ninja Jurius wrote:

      TheFallenNinja wrote: And how did he rebuild it? And if he did, how did he get his powers again?

      In episode 27, PIXAL scanned zane's body, so his plans were in Borg Industries database.

      And if will some Elemental master (for example Kai, Cole, Neuro, Morro ...) die and you will revive him, he will have still his power. And Zane is elemental master too.

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    • Of course, the elemental powers it is owned to the person that it has been passed

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    • Yes, but, Zane's a NINDROID. How did he even own the powers in the first place? Because even if he was a master that had died, there has to be something linking this incarnation of himself to the previous one, unless his soul actually passed into Zane which is highly unlikely since he'd have to remember his previous life. That is because it wouldn't be a normal reincarnation (different people), it wold be more like a rebirth (same exact person).

      Plus the truth is, unless Zane's half of the power source survived, there is no way Pixal, or Zane for that matter, could have rebuilt it. Even after scanning it no one knew what it was.

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    • Maybe Zane got his powers back because when Pixal's body was scrapped, the Cultists took out her heart & put it back into Zane's.

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    • Unlikely no one really knows but maybe Zane just had it in his core.

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    • It's been a long time since I talked here. Trying to spread FNaF theories. Anyway, somebody's gotta send this to MatPat and the Film theorists. That'll get this a little farther.

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    • I don't think so. I mean, this may not even have a logical solution. Just like how Lloyd stayed grown-up even though the ninja destroyed the mega weapon, hence changing the future, there's no explanation!

      ... Or at least they haven't made one.

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    • Mabe Zane was built with powers?

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    • I mean Zane has Ice power built into him?

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    • Sorry about bad grammer:(

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    • Then why did his powers stop working when Lloyd was possessed?

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    • OH RIGHT

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    • Then I'm of to work coming up with new thoiries.(read my third one.)

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    • I'm starting to wonder if Zane is even a robot?

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    • I'm just saying,it's unlikely but maybe

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    • Maybe.Anyone?

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    • This isn't an original theory of mine but maybe Zane's "heart" is one of the crystals from Chen's island. Let's say the first ice master was going to die without a descendant and he knew this. He then takes one of the crystals and puts all of his ice powers into it. You can come up with some story like since he willingly put his powers in the crystal they now belong there. Later Julian found it and started experimenting with it. He found it was a practically invite power source and he was lonely so he made himself a son. Zane only found out about his heart later. The other option would be that Zane is a cyborg. He was born a human with ice powers except he got severely damaged. Then, kinda like Darth Vader, Julian finds him and rebuilds his body. Maybe only Zane's mind survived. Julian wanted a son so bad so he built in a memory switch so he could wipe Zane's mind and start over.

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    • Ha ha! I like that theory. Darth Zane! It's really a flawless theory except for one detail. When Zane turned the memory switch back on all his memories came back so how did those memories manage to stay forgotten. Maybe he erased those memories some how before making him a cyborg. But then, how did zane rebuild himself if his mind wasn't digital. Maybe Julien found a way to transform his physical mind into a cybernetic one?

      I'm still on the side of Zane being from the Dark Side. Lol

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    • Totally improv here:

      So for Zane to have rebuilt himself he must've had his mind survive to do so. If you had all the skills and tech to do a full body transplant could you do it without a mind to work from?

      Maybe Zane has some Master Override button that allowed Zane's previous life to be completely wiped. He didn't do this after he died because he didn't have the insensitive to do so. He knew he would be revived by Samukai so in his mind he might one day make a flying machine and get off the island. If he did he would hunt down his son and flip the switch restoring those memories that he didn't want permanently wiped.

      Sorry if this seems rather rag tag.

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    • For clarification, the he in the second paragraph is Julian.

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    • Please notice me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • What should I be noticing??

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    • My posts.

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    • EpicElijah wrote: Totally improv here:

      So for Zane to have rebuilt himself he must've had his mind survive to do so. If you had all the skills and tech to do a full body transplant could you do it without a mind to work from?

      Maybe Zane has some Master Override button that allowed Zane's previous life to be completely wiped. He didn't do this after he died because he didn't have the insensitive to do so. He knew he would be revived by Samukai so in his mind he might one day make a flying machine and get off the island. If he did he would hunt down his son and flip the switch restoring those memories that he didn't want permanently wiped.

      Sorry if this seems rather rag tag.

      Yeah, but I'm still having a hard time believing Julien would destroy Zane's memory of a whole other life with no way of getting it back. Maybe when/if he digitalized Zane's mind he just removed his previous memories and stored them somewhere in his home... Maybe the Falcon might know something...

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    • It is possible, but we have no way of proving anything for sure. I do really like the idea of Zane having his powers from a previous life and then having a Anakin/Palpetine scene where Julian saves him.

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    • Oh my gosh! That is genius! And it make sense that since he's the master of ice his weakness is lava/fire. It also gives Julien a real reason for giving him a new body and erasing his mind, he didn't want him to remember such pain that might cause him to go to the dark side! No, but really, maybe the Master of Ice had gone bad and Julien was related to him but didn't have powers. He'd be forced to kill him or watch Ninjago be destroyed, so he did what he had to do but couldn't bear to see him die, so he created a robotic body for him and erased his memories so it wouldn't happen again. So really a Obi-Wan/Anakin/Palpatine scene.

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    • It could be the Obi-wan like character was a relitive and was forced to destroy him to save the world and then had Julien rebuild a robotic body for him.

      Or it would be cool if it was Kai's dad who had to kill Evil Zane.

      Unfortunately the Hageman bros would never go into anything this dark, sadly.

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    • The Aqua Ninja wrote: Oh my gosh! That is genius! And it make sense that since he's the master of ice his weakness is lava/fire. It also gives Julien a real reason for giving him a new body and erasing his mind, he didn't want him to remember such pain that might cause him to go to the dark side! No, but really, maybe the Master of Ice had gone bad and Julien was related to him but didn't have powers. He'd be forced to kill him or watch Ninjago be destroyed, so he did what he had to do but couldn't bear to see him die, so he created a robotic body for him and erased his memories so it wouldn't happen again. So really a Obi-Wan/Anakin/Palpatine scene.

      Great theory! Like how padme died and Anakin fell the the dark side of the force, so if Zane ever figured out Dr Julien died, he would go to the dark side, but Zane got his memories back in the episode 'Tick Tock', but after he got his memories back, why dint he become evil? Good theory, but wrong. Sorry Aqua.

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    • You are focusing on the wrong part of Zane's life. He had a previous life where there may or may not have been a Padme character. (I sure hope there was.) He then went evil/crazy and started destroying everything. A good friend had to kill him, but his dying body was sent to a good Palpetine, namely Julien. Julien got rid of the old memories but kept the personality of old Zane except for small things like his humor switch. When Julien knew he was going to die, he knew he had raised Zane right and that he would not turn to the Dark Side. He used the memory switch to save Zane from the sadness. He kept those memories because he thought he might meet up one day with Zane again.

      So basically the turn to the dark side happened during Zane's first reset and Julien made sure it couldn't happen on the second.

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    • EpicElijah wrote: You are focusing on the wrong part of Zane's life. He had a previous life where there may or may not have been a Padme character. (I sure hope there was.) He then went evil/crazy and started destroying everything. I good friend had to kill him, but his dying body was sent to a good Palpetine, namely Julien. Julien got rid of the old memories but kept the personality of old Zane except for small things like his humor switch. When Julien knew he was going to die, he knew he had raised Zane right and that he would not turn to the Dark Side. He used the memory switch to save Zane from the sadness. He kept those memories because he thought he might meet up one day with Zane again. Well, Zane can't remember his past life when he was 2.0, weird, right?

      So basically the turn to the dark side happened during Zane's first reset and Julien made sure it couldn't happen on the second.

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    • So wait, does that make Titanium Zane really Zane 3.0? That is weird.

      And the reason Zane can't remember his human life is Julien erased it so he wouldn't start destroying/killing again.

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    • Exactly. I didn't say anything about what caused him to go Dark The Fallen Ninja, I was just saying that if he had and it was completely 100% erased. From him, not necessarily from the world.

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    • I think I found a hole. When Pixal was scanning Zane in season 3 she should've noticed that he had a human mind. It would make no sense for his old memories to be uploaded to some digital device and then deleted. It would be like me uploading all of my 3 year old drawings to my laptop, and then deleting all of them. He would have to have a human mind and Pixal must have seen it.

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    • Maybe they weren't deleted, maybe they were only suppressed.

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    • But would it be the memories that give him the elemental power? When the ninja had their powers stolen they still had all their memories.

      But Pixal was able to over look Zane's core in her initial scan so she might just be "blind".

      Maybe it was a half-robotic half-human mind. It was still Zane's mind but it had so many robotic implants, like his humor switch, that it looked robotic. It is possible that Zand having a human mind would not compute with in Pixal's head so, like robots do, she tried to come up with a logical explanation.

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    • That could be it but we can't really be sure until it is said in the show. In Shadow of Ronin they lose their powers because they lose they're memories so it's definitely connected, but if that's the case, how did he successfully rebuild himself?

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    • In Shadow of Ronin, which is not canon, I think they lose their powers because they can't remember how to use them.

      The whole "Zane was able to rebuild himself" is actually kinda weak. It makes a lot more sense if Pixal rebuilt him and she scrapped herself for his new body.

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    • Is it confirmed from I reliable sorce that its not cannon? If it is please send me a link :)

      They lose their powers in the game because the lost the experiences that help their powers grow in the first place.

      I don't agree that pixel rebuild him,she seemed very surprised that he was alive.

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    • Ya good post The Aqua Ninja

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    • I can't find a find a link to a "reliable" source but on this wiki it does say that Shadow Of Ronin is not canon. And for the record I did not write it.

      In any case they lose the control of their powers, not their actual powers, when they lose their memories.

      Pixal did seem surprised. Zane's brain probably survived but how on earth are you going to rebuild yourself?! I mean if he lost everything below the waste he could rebuild himself but all of him is titanium. Maybe if just his mind survived he could've hacked some other machine and rebuilt himself through that.

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    • It looked like he got into the main computer and took control of the assembly line. That's what I think, you're entitled to your own opinion.  :)

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    • Sounds like a good theory to me.

      Also, I did a little math and found out that if Zane 3.0 really is titanium his body would be approximately 500 lbs. and worth $16,000. That is one pricy nindroid.

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    • Yup.Pretty pricy.

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    • Hahahahah

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    • Lol! But it's not like he paid for his own materials and Borg's rich, so...

      Now he just has to make sure he doesn't step on anything, or anyone!

      Though this would explain the hole he made when he fell after his elemental dragon disappeared thirty feet in the air... It hurt me just to look at that!

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    • That is freaky deaky

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    • He could be a cyborg. Zane's BRAIN could still be organic like the B'omarr monks from Star Wars Ep. 6

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    • Dude, that is what we said up there. Did you even read it?

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    • We wrote a bunch of paragraphs discussing exactly that. But I sometimes don't read everything when there are so many post so I understand.

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    • Me neither.

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    • Probably (as it was already said in this discussion) it can be because of his power source that gives him his powers.

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    • But then why didn't Pixal get ice powers? She was able to detect when Zane's elemental ability increased so she should be able to detect if she had any trace of elemental ability. There is the Spinjitzu thing but that is just their fighting ability.

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    • Spoilers: What if Julien knew he was going to die soon so he replicated Zane's blueprints for his own body and made Echo Zane aka Rusty but he forgot about the memory switch and when he transferred his mind to Rusty he forgot and his mind is trapped in there without control. The Ninja just found Julien's brainless body and assumed he died naturally, not wanting to investigate too closely.

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    • Maybe, but what if he don't 

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    • And Echo Zane, what if he also have does powers, or zane tranfered his consiosness to his clone but don't have powers for the thing that doc julien gave him to use his powers

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    • Echo Zane is just a clone, he is not the real Zane.

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    • But do you think we would see him again in the series

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    • Rusty (Echo Zane) HAS to come back. They CAN'T forget him.

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    • Uhhhhhh....

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    • Echo Zane was really good!

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    • OK, I just thought of a theory on how Zane has the ice element as well as how he seems surprisingly human for a robot. This can also apply to Echo Zane. It sort connects several of the various theories which have already been mentioned. As most of you have already said, Zane's ice element must come from his power source, which, as you remember, Pixal wasn't able to identify back in the Techno season. Now consider this. Zane is a robot, and therefore he has no soul. Wrong! Ninjago canon proves that Zane has some sort of a soul in the latest season. When Nadakhan uses the sword of souls to steal it, he succeeds. So, the question is, how? Where did he get this seemingly ulimited power source; and where did he get a soul? The two entities must be linked together, which is proven when Nadakhan uses the ice element against the other ninja. What if the only reason Doctor Julien built Zanes (Echo Zane included) were for his own personal gain? And if it was, are there more? Now that I have you intrigued, let me explain.

      Dr. Julien was mortal, and therefore he was doomed to die from the start. There was nothing he could do to prevent this from happening, unless, maybe, he was able to work his mind around it. This brings us to the point. Zanes are merely bits and chunks of Dr. Julien's original soul, much like how horcruxes are used by Voldemort in Harry Potter. How was he able to cut and extract his soul? I have no idea, but, being the genius he is, he probably could've managed some technological feat. So, Dr. Julien is theoretically alive as long as there is a Zane around harnessing a fragment of his soul. Doesn't it seem quite selfish for such an amiable old man? Yes, I agree, but Dr. Julien hasn't been around long enough in Ninjago for us to know is full personality. If this theory proves correct, Dr. Julien would technically be still alive, and it would explain in full detail Zane's origns concerning his ice power, human-like personality, and unlimited power source.

      So, what do you guys think?

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    • Sheldon Frank wrote: OK, I just thought of a theory on how Zane has the ice element as well as how he seems surprisingly human for a robot. This can also apply to Echo Zane. It sort connects several of the various theories which have already been mentioned. As most of you have already said, Zane's ice element must come from his power source, which, as you remember, Pixal wasn't able to identify back in the Techno season. Now consider this. Zane is a robot, and therefore he has no soul. Wrong! Ninjago canon proves that Zane has some sort of a soul in the latest season. When Nadakhan uses the sword of souls to steal it, he succeeds. So, the question is, how? Where did he get this seemingly ulimited power source; and where did he get a soul? The two entities must be linked together, which is proven when Nadakhan uses the ice element against the other ninja. What if the only reason Doctor Julien built Zanes (Echo Zane included) were for his own personal gain? And if it was, are there more? Now that I have you intrigued, let me explain.

      Dr. Julien was mortal, and therefore he was doomed to die from the start. There was nothing he could do to prevent this from happening, unless, maybe, he was able to work his mind around it. This brings us to the point. Zanes are merely bits and chunks of Dr. Julien's original soul, much like how horcruxes are used by Voldemort in Harry Potter. How was he able to cut and extract his soul? I have no idea, but, being the genius he is, he probably could've managed some technological feat. So, Dr. Julien is theoretically alive as long as there is a Zane around harnessing a fragment of his soul. Doesn't it seem quite selfish for such an amiable old man? Yes, I agree, but Dr. Julien hasn't been around long enough in Ninjago for us to know is full personality. If this theory proves correct, Dr. Julien would technically be still alive, and it would explain in full detail Zane's origns concerning his ice power, human-like personality, and unlimited power source.

      So, what do you guys think?

      Seems like the best Ninjago theory ever, man! How did you ever figure this out

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    • Sonicblueblur87 wrote:

      Seems like the best Ninjago theory ever, man! How did you ever figure this out

      It began to dawn on me when I first noticed Zane's soul taken away by Nadakhan. I was further encouraged later with the idea when Nadakhan used Zane's elemental power with the sword of souls. I concluded that there had to be some explantion, and so I formulated this theory soon after.

      I'm glad you like it.

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    • So you are saying it is all in his core? The ice powers and his soul and the back up Julien are in his core?

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    • Well, Zane's soul that was captured could have been his core, but how did Zane rebuild himself? Well, firstly he copied a blueprint from Echo Zane and also found a tiny little piece of Zane 1.0's soul, the 1.0 soul was obtained when Zane 1.0 exploded and one piece fell into the lab of Dr Julien. Then, Zane 1.0's soul had a special power- the element of ice. As Zane 2.0 rebuilt himself, the 1.0 soul merged into Zane 2.0 core, giving him the power of ice again, and thus giving him a 'soul'. So when Nadakhan trapped Zane, the 1.0/2.0 soul was trapped.
      Zane put the 1.0 soul in his 2.0 core, and he therefore has a soul.
      Then again, the 1.0 core had all the traits of 1.0, maybe Zane built Echo Zane to do one thing- protect others who cannot protect themselves! Echo Zane was never there when Zane 1.0 went to Dr Julien's lab, so Nya and Jay thought Juilen built it, but no, Zane 2.0 built it, so he could make a replica of himself to guard the lab.
      Now, Zane 1.0 was trapped in the digiverse, and traveled to the Dr Julien's lab to make him and Echo Zane.
      Dr Julien left the blueprints in the lab, so Zane copied them and modified it, making Zane 2.0 and Echo Zane.

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    • Sounds pretty good but what about when Zane gave half his core to Pixal. It would've contained part of his soul and would've fused with Pixal. Your theory doesn't seem quite smooth enough yet but it has a bunch of good ideas. One thing I just remembered was when the machanic was trying to steal Zane's parts if 57 Zane only has the half core that he was left with after he gave half to Pixal which means it must be the same core that he had before.

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    • Yes

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    • Maybe I the core is indestructible, so maybe when Pixals body was destroyed Chen kept the half-core at his island and it may still be there.

      Also, going back to Zane being made only as a way for Julien to live forever, I don't really think this is true. If Zane's human-like personality is due to Julien's soul being in him, Zane wouldn't be Zane, he would act like Julien. And also we don't see much of the Dr. but from what we do see, we can infer the he genuinely loves Zane. Maybe he found a way to give him a piece of his soul in order to make him more like a son, and to make him more human; but I don't think he would use Zane for his own selfish needs.

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    • The Aqua Ninja wrote:
      Maybe I the core is indestructible, so maybe when Pixals body was destroyed Chen kept the half-core at his island and it may still be there.

      Also, going back to Zane being made only as a way for Julien to live forever, I don't really think this is true. If Zane's human-like personality is due to Julien's soul being in him, Zane wouldn't be Zane, he would act like Julien. And also we don't see much of the Dr. but from what we do see, we can infer the he genuinely loves Zane. Maybe he found a way to give him a piece of his soul in order to make him more like a son, and to make him more human; but I don't think he would use Zane for his own selfish needs.

      1. Zane could've served as dual purposes for Julien; being the son he never had as well as extending his lifetime for centuries more. Giving Zane a fragment of his soul would have been the answer for both of these objectives. So the relationship between them still could be genuine; the idea of having a son covering the fact of Julien's selfish (and partial) motive.

      2. Also, given the information we recieve from Zane's scattered flashbacks, we know very little of Julien's youth, and much less of his personality. This being said, nothing indicates whether or not Zane does indeed act like a younger Julien.

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    • Nothing strange.I guarantee I see this long discussion is going out of hand. If this isn't possible,then how did the FIRST Ice master get his power.Common Logic.Thing guys,Think

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    • Falcon

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    • Dr. Julian made power source with power of ice. Ergo, Zane has ICE!

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    • Does anyone here think that Echo Zane have some element too? If Dr. Julien created normal Zane with elemental power, could he create his brother also with it?

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    • Nah. It's probably a used up on Zane.

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    • Sonicblueblur87 wrote:

      Sheldon Frank wrote: OK, I just thought of a theory on how Zane has the ice element as well as how he seems surprisingly human for a robot. This can also apply to Echo Zane. It sort connects several of the various theories which have already been mentioned. As most of you have already said, Zane's ice element must come from his power source, which, as you remember, Pixal wasn't able to identify back in the Techno season. Now consider this. Zane is a robot, and therefore he has no soul. Wrong! Ninjago canon proves that Zane has some sort of a soul in the latest season. When Nadakhan uses the sword of souls to steal it, he succeeds. So, the question is, how? Where did he get this seemingly ulimited power source; and where did he get a soul? The two entities must be linked together, which is proven when Nadakhan uses the ice element against the other ninja. What if the only reason Doctor Julien built Zanes (Echo Zane included) were for his own personal gain? And if it was, are there more? Now that I have you intrigued, let me explain.

      Dr. Julien was mortal, and therefore he was doomed to die from the start. There was nothing he could do to prevent this from happening, unless, maybe, he was able to work his mind around it. This brings us to the point. Zanes are merely bits and chunks of Dr. Julien's original soul, much like how horcruxes are used by Voldemort in Harry Potter. How was he able to cut and extract his soul? I have no idea, but, being the genius he is, he probably could've managed some technological feat. So, Dr. Julien is theoretically alive as long as there is a Zane around harnessing a fragment of his soul. Doesn't it seem quite selfish for such an amiable old man? Yes, I agree, but Dr. Julien hasn't been around long enough in Ninjago for us to know is full personality. If this theory proves correct, Dr. Julien would technically be still alive, and it would explain in full detail Zane's origns concerning his ice power, human-like personality, and unlimited power source.

      So, what do you guys think?

      Seems like the best Ninjago theory ever, man! How did you ever figure this out

      Meh. Zane has a soul through emotions. His emotions created it. 

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    • Plus Borg said he was a perfect balance between human and Technology, while possibly symbolic, could hint he is not what he seems.  Or his elemental powers gave him a soul.

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    • It will be explained in Hands of Time, says Tommy Andersen

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    • Lego Shamrock wrote:
      Thegoldeninja2015 wrote:
      But remember there was a elemental master of ice before zane, just see the episode spellbound, and you would see him.

      Yes, I saw him. He may have been an uncle. But don't be fooled by attire, he may have not been the Master of Ice.

      Well, IT'S CONFIRMED NOW.

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    • OrangePuffle wrote:
      It will be explained in Hands of Time, says Tommy Andersen

      He said it would be explained eventually, not that it would be explained in Hands of Time.

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    • I have a theory, which I have also posted on another thread.

      During the Serpentine Wars, there was an Elemental Master of Ice. He was a skilled fighter who did everything to help protect Ninjago. He was a humble man and had a Wife but no children. He spent most of his time in the Birchwood forests, inventing things. At some point in time, he would fight a tragic battle against an unknown villain/s and the only way to save everyone, was to sacrifice himself. His wife was very distraught and realised the elemental power wouldn't carry on as they had no relatives or children. She decided to bury him in the Birchwood forest, along with some of his inventions, and hoped that somehow, he would be succeeded by a Master of Ice...

      Years later, an invented named Dr Julien - who lived in a hollowed out tree in another part of the forest, was looking for some spare parts for his invention. He stubbled upon a small, circular disc, which was covered in ice; buried in the snow. As he picked it up, it began to glow and electrocuted him. Realising it could be a useful source of power, he careful brought it back to his workshop...

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