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  • What do you think of Harumi? I am not a fangirl of her

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    • I absolutely adore her bc she is an amazing villain and I can relate to her a lot. Killing her off is a waste of a perfectly good character.

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    • I liked her as a character but she was a horrible villain.

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    • Chimadino wrote: I liked her as a character but she was a horrible villain.

      So you liked her better when she was "good"? (just curious)

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    • She was ok, I guess. I think the story would have been better if she relised that Pythor is realy to blame for her parent's death and Garmadon only killed The Great Devourer for revenge.

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    • Chimadino wrote: She was ok, I guess. I think the story would have been better if she relised that Pythor is realy to blame for her parent's death and Garmadon only killed The Great Devourer for revenge.

      Pythor isn't to blame for anything, he wouldn't have done anything if Lloyd wouldn't have released him. It's Lloyd's fault. Lloyd is the "greatest villain who always gets away".

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    • Emperor Serpentine wrote:

      Chimadino wrote: She was ok, I guess. I think the story would have been better if she relised that Pythor is realy to blame for her parent's death and Garmadon only killed The Great Devourer for revenge.

      Pythor isn't to blame for anything, he wouldn't have done anything if Lloyd wouldn't have released him. It's Lloyd's fault. Lloyd is the "greatest villain who always gets away".

      Lloyd isn't the greatest villain, unless he created all the others. You're basicaly saying Lloyd released the Serpentine before Ninjago was created. Lloyd isn't the greatest villain, The Overlord is.

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    • I gotta agree with condrai on this one, it’s Pythor’s fault.

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    • 1morro.com wrote: I gotta agree with condrai on this one, it’s Pythor’s fault.

      In reallife, Lloyd would be in prison for all the trouble he has caused.

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    • Misako would be most likely than Lloyd to go to jail for neglecting Lloyd.

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    • Emperor Serpentine wrote:

      1morro.com wrote: I gotta agree with condrai on this one, it’s Pythor’s fault.

      In reallife, Lloyd would be in prison for all the trouble he has caused.

      More likely juvenile detention center than prison.

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    • 1morro.com wrote:
      I gotta agree with condrai on this one, it’s Pythor’s fault.

      Yeah, and why would Lloyd be the greatest villain? Anyone could have found the Serpentine tombs or Pythor could have escaped by himself somehow (Btw, Condrai is only my OC's name, not my actual name or something).

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    • Actually, it is the fault of Garmadon, because HE WAS THE ONE WHO DISCOVERED THE FLUTES

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    • 😮

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    • I think its the Oni and Dragon's faults. they should have settled things peacfully. 

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    • The orange duck 42 wrote: I think its the Oni and Dragon's faults. they should have settled things peacfully. 

      It's Firstbourne and The Omega's fault. End of discussion.

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    • I think it's Misako's fault. She left Lloyd at a horrible boarding school and cuts off all contact with him for years instead of visiting him and taking him home on the summer and where was she when her son was living in the streets and trying to steal to survive?. The Ninja are to blame too bc they should've taken Lloyd to Wu when they found him trying to steal candy instead of humiliating him.

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    • TheLoner wrote: I think it's Misako's fault. She left Lloyd at a horrible boarding school and cuts off all contact with him for years instead of visiting him and taking him home on the summer and where was she when her son was living in the streets and trying to steal to survive?. The Ninja are to blame too bc they should've taken Lloyd to Wu when they found him trying to steal candy instead of humiliating him.

      Well the ninja and Misako at least admitted it was a mistake.

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    • We could also say that even if we go by who caused this, the blame could still fall to the Devourer, cause Lloyd would have never released the Serpentine, if his father was not evil, and Garmadon would have never been evil if not for the Devourer. 

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    • Ninja72 wrote: We could also say that even if we go by who caused this, the blame could still fall to the Devourer, cause Lloyd would have never released the Serpentine, if his father was not evil, and Garmadon would have never been evil if not for the Devourer. 

      But the real question is why did the Devourer even exist?

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    • Onibaba509 wrote:

      Ninja72 wrote: We could also say that even if we go by who caused this, the blame could still fall to the Devourer, cause Lloyd would have never released the Serpentine, if his father was not evil, and Garmadon would have never been evil if not for the Devourer. 

      But the real question is why did the Devourer even exist?

      Remember that Tommy Andreasen said The First Spinjitzu Master might have brought the Serpentine from Chima? Maybe The Devourer was some sort of "legend beast" of the Serpentine.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      We could also say that even if we go by who caused this, the blame could still fall to the Devourer, cause Lloyd would have never released the Serpentine, if his father was not evil, and Garmadon would have never been evil if not for the Devourer. 

      And the one who turned The Devourer evil was probably The Overlord.

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    • That is from a non-canon comics though.

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    • It's just a speculation. I have never read that comic SERIOUSLY WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I GOT IT FROM THERE?!

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    • Anyways, let's get back to topic. Someone has said that Harumi is the most powerful villain, which is obivously isn't true. Let's see how would the other villains beat her:

      Samukai would just throw daggers at her.

      Garmadon would just force choke her.

      Skales would hypnotize her.

      Pythor would eat her.

      The Great Devourer would probably also eat her up.

      The Overlord would absolutely destroy her.

      Kozu would just crush her.

      Cryptor would just kill her with his laser eye.

      Chen would just use his staff.

      Clouse would banish her to the Cursed Realm.

      Morro would blow her away or posess her.

      Nadakhan would just trick her into the Djinn Blade.

      Yang would turn her into a ghost.

      Acronix would turn her into an old lady.

      Krux would turn her into a baby.

      The Iron Baron would throw her into the Dragon Pit.

      Omega would turn her into a statue.

      Aspheera would banish her into the Never-Realm.

      The Ice Emperor would freeze her.

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    • Chimadino wrote:
      It's just a speculation. I have never read that comic SERIOUSLY WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I GOT IT FROM THERE?!

      I have not read it either. I learned about it from this wiki. 

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    • Chimadino wrote: Anyways, let's get back to topic. Someone has said that Harumi is the most powerful villain, which is obivously isn't true. Let's see how would the other villains beat her:

      Samukai would just throw daggers at her.

      Garmadon would just force choke her.

      Skales would hypnotize her.

      Pythor would eat her.

      The Great Devourer would probably also eat her up.

      The Overlord would absolutely destroy her.

      Kozu would just crush her.

      Cryptor would just kill her with his laser eye.

      Chen would just use his staff.

      Clouse would banish her to the Cursed Realm.

      Morro would blow her away or posess her.

      Nadakhan would just trick her into the Djinn Blade.

      Yang would turn her into a ghost.

      Acronix would turn her into an old lady.

      Krux would turn her into a baby.

      The Iron Baron would throw her into the Dragon Pit.

      Omega would turn her into a statue.

      Aspheera would banish her into the Never-Realm.

      The Ice Emperor would freeze her.

      I think they meant in terms of mental power like tricking or persuading people although that is still wrong as Pythor, The Overlord, Nadakhan, and possibly Chen are way better at that.

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    • TheLoner wrote: I absolutely adore her bc she is an amazing villain and I can relate to her a lot. Killing her off is a waste of a perfectly good character.

      I agree. One thing I don’t like about her is the lasting impact on Lloyd’s love life. If I was him I would never trust another girl with my heart again. And Lloyd probably agrees.😑

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    • lyold never trusts nya lol

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    • Chimadino wrote:

      Onibaba509 wrote:

      Ninja72 wrote: We could also say that even if we go by who caused this, the blame could still fall to the Devourer, cause Lloyd would have never released the Serpentine, if his father was not evil, and Garmadon would have never been evil if not for the Devourer. 

      But the real question is why did the Devourer even exist?

      Remember that Tommy Andreasen said The First Spinjitzu Master might have brought the Serpentine from Chima? Maybe The Devourer was some sort of "legend beast" of the Serpentine.

      Anacondrai Serpent = Anacondrai Legend Beast

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    • Onibaba509 wrote:

      Chimadino wrote: Anyways, let's get back to topic. Someone has said that Harumi is the most powerful villain, which is obivously isn't true. Let's see how would the other villains beat her:

      Samukai would just throw daggers at her.

      Garmadon would just force choke her.

      Skales would hypnotize her.

      Pythor would eat her.

      The Great Devourer would probably also eat her up.

      The Overlord would absolutely destroy her.

      Kozu would just crush her.

      Cryptor would just kill her with his laser eye.

      Chen would just use his staff.

      Clouse would banish her to the Cursed Realm.

      Morro would blow her away or posess her.

      Nadakhan would just trick her into the Djinn Blade.

      Yang would turn her into a ghost.

      Acronix would turn her into an old lady.

      Krux would turn her into a baby.

      The Iron Baron would throw her into the Dragon Pit.

      Omega would turn her into a statue.

      Aspheera would banish her into the Never-Realm.

      The Ice Emperor would freeze her.

      I think they meant in terms of mental power like tricking or persuading people although that is still wrong as Pythor, The Overlord, Nadakhan, and possibly Chen are way better at that.

      Yang and Krux are also way better at manipulating others, while Skales can hypnotize, Clouse has magic and altough not a main villain, Bansha has mind control powers, so she is much better at deciving others than Harumi as well.

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    • we cant just say one villian is better than another, each has its strong points

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    • i personally prefer and relate more to aspheera than harumi. lol

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    • "what can you do now?! wu, what can you do now?! MWHAHAHA!

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    • 1morro.com wrote:
      i personally prefer and relate more to aspheera than harumi. lol

      How so? Aspheera lied to Wu promising him that she will not use Spinjitzu for evil. She has no justification to call him a treacherous deceiver. She is the one, who deceived/betrayed him, not the other way around. 

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      Chimadino wrote:
      It's just a speculation. I have never read that comic SERIOUSLY WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I GOT IT FROM THERE?!
      I have not read it either. I learned about it from this wiki. 

      I just assumed you learned about that comics from the trivia point on the Great Devourer page on this wiki like I did.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      1morro.com wrote:
      i personally prefer and relate more to aspheera than harumi. lol
      How so? Aspheera lied to Wu promising him that she will not use Spinjitzu for evil. She has no justification to call him a treacherous deceiver. She is the one, who deceived/betrayed him, not the other way around. 

      i just like her better, she is more confindent and at least fights fair

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    • Well, it is one thing to like her better, but that does not make her more relatable.

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    • People have opinions.

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    • I get that. I am not saying Harumi is objectively the better villain. I am saying Harumi is objectively a more symphatetic villain than Aspheera.

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    • A girl, who lost her parents at a young age vs a snake that lied to her friend and then claimed that he is a deceiver? I think it is very clear that when it comes to the sympathy factor Harumi wins.

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    • A girl who lost her parents at a young age vs a djinn who lost his home?

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    • True, but as the season progressed, he started to lose the sympathy factor. At first he only wanted revenge, but then wanted ultimate power. He baished his own friends. He just became a generic power-hungry villain.

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    • Yea, but he is still my second favorite.

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    • Alright. 

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    • For the record, this was not me saying that he is a bad villain, just that he is not a symphatetic one anymore.

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    • Yeah, I like him because he has a good way of manipulating people. I like manipulating villains, that is why Pythor is my third favorite.

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    • i like aspheera's style! BURN, BURN!

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    • You are spamming burn, please stop.

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    • Chimadino
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    • I like Harumi's character because of her impact on Lloyd both by resurrecting the Oni part of his father and by emotionally abusing him. I also sympathize with her because she is just a teenage girl who was reacting to the unfortunate circumstances in her life, but she reacted in an unhealthy, villainous way. As for who to blame, I don't really blame any one person or creature, I think it's just the way the cookie crumbled. But I do wonder why the First Spinjitzu Master would bring the Serpentine from Chima into Ninjago?

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    • I don't like her because she is a modern villain. I prefer ancent villains.

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    • I have to agree that the ancient villains are better.

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    • I mean, it's cool if the villain has a backstory with Wu, Garmadon, the FSM or the Elemental Masters. Harumi doesn't.

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    • Chimadino
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    • True

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    • Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote: I like Harumi's character because of her impact on Lloyd both by resurrecting the Oni part of his father and by emotionally abusing him. I also sympathize with her because she is just a teenage girl who was reacting to the unfortunate circumstances in her life, but she reacted in an unhealthy, villainous way. As for who to blame, I don't really blame any one person or creature, I think it's just the way the cookie crumbled. But I do wonder why the First Spinjitzu Master would bring the Serpentine from Chima into Ninjago?

      Like Carrie but worse.

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    • my problem with her was the way she was written, one moment she is written like we are supposed to feel sorry for her and then the next she sees Lloyd and get's really angry and tries to hurt him emotionally. I was seriously fully expecting her when the Colossus caused the building she was on to collapse, that she would yell at the top of her lungs that this was all Lloyd's fault and how she would hate him forever. That's my problem with her, she comes of like the writters weren't sure if she should be a sympathetic villain or a 100% evil and sadistic villain who loved every singel moment of seeing Lloyd's pain.

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    • She was never supossed to be a 100% evil and sadistic villain. If we were not supossed to feel sorry/symphatize with her, they would have never given her a tragic backstory.  Her yelling that this was all Lloyd's fault would have made zero sense, considering she could have made the selfish choice and escaped, but made the selfless one instead and returned to save those people. Honestly, though, can we just stop discussing Harumi? She is like the most controversial topic that is talked about on this Wiki's forums. 

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    • It has been over a year since she died and we are still discussing if she was a good character or not for some reason.

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    • What do I think of Harumi? Well, I agree that she was evil and carried out villainous acts, yet, I also sympathise with her. Because the thing is, she wasn't committing all that evil because she just wanted to or because she just felt like it, no, she was hurting deep down inside and she wanted to make people understand the disastrous pain and loss she went through. Yes, the way she tried to portray her pain was wrong, revenge shouldn't have been her option, but if people, like her adopted parents, had tried to emotionally understand her more, then I feel like all of this could have possibly been avoided (though I'm not trying to say that Harumi isn't to blame for any of this). But she's an interesting character, well that's my opinion of her anyway.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      For the record, this was not me saying that he is a bad villain, just that he is not a symphatetic one anymore.

      Altrough I plan on changing my list.

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    • BURN! oops

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    • Chimadino wrote:
      Anyways, let's get back to topic. Someone has said that Harumi is the most powerful villain, which is obivously isn't true. Let's see how would the other villains beat her:

      Samukai would just throw daggers at her.

      Garmadon would just force choke her.

      Skales would hypnotize her.

      Pythor would eat her.

      The Great Devourer would probably also eat her up.

      The Overlord would absolutely destroy her.

      Kozu would just crush her.

      Cryptor would just kill her with his laser eye.

      Chen would just use his staff.

      Clouse would banish her to the Cursed Realm.

      Morro would blow her away or posess her.

      Nadakhan would just trick her into the Djinn Blade.

      Yang would turn her into a ghost.

      Acronix would turn her into an old lady.

      Krux would turn her into a baby.

      The Iron Baron would throw her into the Dragon Pit.

      Omega would turn her into a statue.

      Aspheera would banish her into the Never-Realm.

      The Ice Emperor would freeze her.

      Lol :)

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    • I think Garmadon (possibly) used the scroll of forbidden spinjitzu to turn her bad. Because according to the wiki it can corrupt inexperienced users. Just a random thought

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    • Who? Harumi or Aspheera?

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    • Ninja72 wrote: Who? Harumi or Aspheera?

      Harumi. I don't think Garmadon was bad back then (when asphhera was around/young)

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    • Um, what? Garmadon was dead, when Harumi started plotting her revenge plot, lol.

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    • DragonMasterGreen96 wrote:
      I think Garmadon (possibly) used the scroll of forbidden spinjitzu to turn her bad. Because according to the wiki it can corrupt inexperienced users. Just a random thought

      She liked Garmadon because he killed the thing that destroyed her parents. This doesn't make sense.

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    • I see her and Morro as a couple

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    • Icequeen NinjaWarrior wrote:
      I see her and Morro as a couple

      Umm, okay.

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    • Coolcourt33 wrote:

      DragonMasterGreen96 wrote:
      I think Garmadon (possibly) used the scroll of forbidden spinjitzu to turn her bad. Because according to the wiki it can corrupt inexperienced users. Just a random thought

      She liked Garmadon because he killed the thing that destroyed her parents. This doesn't make sense.

      Harumi liked Garmadon because she heard the doctors tending to her talking about how he was the real hero and the Ninja failed to stop the Devourer. Keep in mind that Harumi was just a child back then and had to spend her life as the princess of Ninjago trapped in the palace, where she didn't have much to do but learning to be a princess and accumulating anger with nobody to teach her better and it doesn't help that the Emperor and Empress weren't attentive when it came to her emotional needs and their main concern was that she became the perfect princess she was expected to be.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      Coolcourt33 wrote:

      DragonMasterGreen96 wrote:
      I think Garmadon (possibly) used the scroll of forbidden spinjitzu to turn her bad. Because according to the wiki it can corrupt inexperienced users. Just a random thought

      She liked Garmadon because he killed the thing that destroyed her parents. This doesn't make sense.

      Harumi liked Garmadon because she heard the doctors tending to her talking about how he was the real hero and the Ninja failed to stop the Devourer. Keep in mind that Harumi was just a child back then and had to spend her life as the princess of Ninjago trapped in the palace, where she didn't have much to do but learning to be a princess and accumulating anger with nobody to teach her better and it doesn't help that the Emperor and Empress weren't attentive when it came to her emotional needs and their main concern was that she became the perfect princess she was expected to be. Isolation can mess people up.

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    • Icequeen NinjaWarrior wrote:
      I see her and Morro as a couple

      Even though I'm all for Llorumi, Morrumi would be interesting. I would be willing to see how that goes. 

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    • Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:
      Icequeen NinjaWarrior wrote:
      I see her and Morro as a couple
      Even though I'm all for Llorumi, Morrumi would be interesting. I would be willing to see how that goes. 

      Do you think she would be friends with Nya if Nya didn't hate her?

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    • Judging by their interactions pre-episode 80 yes I'm sure they would be friends, I think they would've been just like Kai and Lloyd.

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    • if she wasn't evil, they would be BFFs.

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    • lol

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    • she is a gr8 character, and a very unique villain.

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    • As a villain, she is effective. Tragic, but her ending is deserved. Good riddance!

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    • Personally, I miss Harumi, and hope that they work her back into the show somehow. I think the reason I like having her in the show is because her and Lloyd's love-mostly hate relationship is interesting to me. It's the right amount of petty drama for me.

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    • At best she will return for one episode like Morro.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      Coolcourt33 wrote:

      DragonMasterGreen96 wrote:
      I think Garmadon (possibly) used the scroll of forbidden spinjitzu to turn her bad. Because according to the wiki it can corrupt inexperienced users. Just a random thought

      She liked Garmadon because he killed the thing that destroyed her parents. This doesn't make sense.

      Harumi liked Garmadon because she heard the doctors tending to her talking about how he was the real hero and the Ninja failed to stop the Devourer. Keep in mind that Harumi was just a child back then and had to spend her life as the princess of Ninjago trapped in the palace, where she didn't have much to do but learning to be a princess and accumulating anger with nobody to teach her better and it doesn't help that the Emperor and Empress weren't attentive when it came to her emotional needs and their main concern was that she became the perfect princess she was expected to be.

      Trapped in a palace is still better than trapped in a cupboard under the stairs with no meals, though.

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    • DamasterW wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      Coolcourt33 wrote:

      DragonMasterGreen96 wrote:
      I think Garmadon (possibly) used the scroll of forbidden spinjitzu to turn her bad. Because according to the wiki it can corrupt inexperienced users. Just a random thought

      She liked Garmadon because he killed the thing that destroyed her parents. This doesn't make sense.

      Harumi liked Garmadon because she heard the doctors tending to her talking about how he was the real hero and the Ninja failed to stop the Devourer. Keep in mind that Harumi was just a child back then and had to spend her life as the princess of Ninjago trapped in the palace, where she didn't have much to do but learning to be a princess and accumulating anger with nobody to teach her better and it doesn't help that the Emperor and Empress weren't attentive when it came to her emotional needs and their main concern was that she became the perfect princess she was expected to be.

      Trapped in a palace is still better than trapped in a cupboard under the stairs with no meals, though.

      It's still wrong though.

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    • I mean, Pythor is to blame for the Devourer.

      Anyone could release him, really...

      In all seriousness however, I think if the emperor and empress (Why are they needed?) We're more attentive towards Harumi's emotions, she wouldn't be that way.

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    • NexSans2092 wrote: I mean, Pythor is to blame for the Devourer.

      Anyone could release him, really...

      In all seriousness however, I think if the emperor and empress (Why are they needed?) We're more attentive towards Harumi's emotions, she wouldn't be that way.

      Pythor did nothing wrong. It was all Chen's fault. Hadn't he lied to both the humans and the snakes, then the war would have ended and the snakes would never have been locked up and they would never have hated humans that much.

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    • True, I recently thought about that as well.

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    • I like that reasoning. Makes more sense than blaming Lloyd when he was a child forced to live like an orphan. Chen's the root cause. I'm still curious why the FSM would bring the Serpentine to Ninjago from Chima. Maybe he was trying to create diversity in Ninjago? But why serpents with dangerous attributes?

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    • Yeah, though Pythor still holds part of the blame.

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    • Ninja72 wrote: Yeah, though Pythor still holds part of the blame.

      No, that part was Ray's fault, as he was the person who locked the Anacondrai up.

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    • Because they attacked the humans........ 

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    • Ninja72 wrote: Because they attacked the humans........ 

      Because Chen lied to them................................

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    • Still, what did you expect them to do? Just let them go free? As far as they knew, the snakes lied to them and attacked them. 

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    • Ninja72 wrote: Still, what did you expect them to do? Just let them go free? As far as they knew, the snakes lied to them and attacked them. 

      They should have asked the snakes about what Chen told them.

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    • Uh, nope. For all they knew, Chen was right and they should not have trusted the snakes. And that Chen had betrayed them and went to their side. 

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    • They did not even know Chen had told them anything.

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    • I think that this is off-topic.

      Also, Chen told Garmadon that peace is boring. He could have suspected that Chen had something to do with the snakes attacking the humans.

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    • Duly noted. It was pretty obvious Chen didn't want peace. But like in a majority of TV shows, sometimes the good guys are dumb, to keep the story going.

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    • Emperor Serpentine wrote:

      NexSans2092 wrote: I mean, Pythor is to blame for the Devourer.

      Anyone could release him, really...

      In all seriousness however, I think if the emperor and empress (Why are they needed?) We're more attentive towards Harumi's emotions, she wouldn't be that way.

      Pythor did nothing wrong. It was all Chen's fault. Hadn't he lied to both the humans and the snakes, then the war would have ended and the snakes would never have been locked up and they would never have hated humans that much.

      So, is "Blame Chen" Gonna be a thing?

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      DamasterW wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      Coolcourt33 wrote:

      DragonMasterGreen96 wrote:
      I think Garmadon (possibly) used the scroll of forbidden spinjitzu to turn her bad. Because according to the wiki it can corrupt inexperienced users. Just a random thought

      She liked Garmadon because he killed the thing that destroyed her parents. This doesn't make sense.

      Harumi liked Garmadon because she heard the doctors tending to her talking about how he was the real hero and the Ninja failed to stop the Devourer. Keep in mind that Harumi was just a child back then and had to spend her life as the princess of Ninjago trapped in the palace, where she didn't have much to do but learning to be a princess and accumulating anger with nobody to teach her better and it doesn't help that the Emperor and Empress weren't attentive when it came to her emotional needs and their main concern was that she became the perfect princess she was expected to be.

      Trapped in a palace is still better than trapped in a cupboard under the stairs with no meals, though.

      It's still wrong though.

      What is?

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    • Being trapped in a palace

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    • NexSans2092 wrote: Being trapped in a palace

      Talk about a gilded cage.

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    • It doens't matter if she lived in a palace. Material things don't replace love and happiness.

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    • TheLoner wrote: It doens't matter if she lived in a palace. Material things don't replace love and happiness.

      I agree. Which is why I said it was a gilded cage.

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    • TheLoner wrote: It doens't matter if she lived in a palace. Material things don't replace love and happiness.

      The Emperor and Empress may have been strict but I believe they were loving.

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    • I have no doubt they loved her but they didn't try hard enough to help her out when it came to her emotional issues and were quite strict with her.

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    • TheLoner wrote: I have no doubt they loved her but they didn't try hard enough to help her out when it came to her emotional issues and were quite strict with her.

      Good point. I read you think Lloyd did not regret his past sins but throughout the series, he has expressed remorse.

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    • Icequeen NinjaWarrior wrote: I see her and Morro as a couple

      they’re... they’re both dead.

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    • Ok. So, to review:

      You could blame the Royal Family for letting her anger accumulate and boil.

      You could blame Lloyd for releasing the serpentine.

      You could blame Pythor for even summoning the devourer.

      You could blame Chen because the only reason Pythor wanted to summon the devourer was because of the war Chen started.

      You could blame the Devourer itself for making Garmadon evil, which made Lloyd want to follow his footsteps, leading him to release the Serpentine.

      You could blame the First Spinjitzu Master for bringing the Devourer into Ninjago.

      You could blame the Overlord* for making the Devourer evil and make its victims evil.

      You could blame Misako for ditching Lloyd and letting him be evil and junk.

      *uncertain if it was him
      
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    • Yes I know he did so in the past, even when he was still a kid but I found it unsettling when Lloyd seemed unconcerned when Harumi told him about how the Great Devourer had left her an orphan and he later said "I know I hurt you" to her so I was taken aback when Lloyd refused to let her know that he was sorry for what he did like when she was arrested in S8 or when he and the others captured her in S9. At least that's what I would do had I been in his place. I don't understand how he easily forgave Misako for abandoning him as well as the Ninja for bullying him but he wouldn't spare Harumi a second thought.

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    • TheLoner wrote: Yes I know he did so in the past, even when he was still a kid but I found it unsettling when Lloyd seemed unconcerned when Harumi told him about how the Great Devourer had left her an orphan and he later said "I know I hurt you" to her so I was taken aback when Lloyd refused to let her know that he was sorry for what he did like when she was arrested in S8 or when he and the others captured her in S9. At least that's what I would do had I been in his place. I don't understand how he easily forgave Misako for abandoning him as well as the Ninja for bullying him but he wouldn't spare Harumi a second thought.

      Good point. I am starting to think that Harumi might be a by product of Lloyd's imperfections.

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    • DamasterW wrote:

      TheLoner wrote: Yes I know he did so in the past, even when he was still a kid but I found it unsettling when Lloyd seemed unconcerned when Harumi told him about how the Great Devourer had left her an orphan and he later said "I know I hurt you" to her so I was taken aback when Lloyd refused to let her know that he was sorry for what he did like when she was arrested in S8 or when he and the others captured her in S9. At least that's what I would do had I been in his place. I don't understand how he easily forgave Misako for abandoning him as well as the Ninja for bullying him but he wouldn't spare Harumi a second thought.

      Good point. I am starting to think that Harumi might be a by product of Lloyd's imperfections.

      I guess.

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    • TheLoner wrote:
      Yes I know he did so in the past, even when he was still a kid but I found it unsettling when Lloyd seemed unconcerned when Harumi told him about how the Great Devourer had left her an orphan and he later said "I know I hurt you" to her so I was taken aback when Lloyd refused to let her know that he was sorry for what he did like when she was arrested in S8 or when he and the others captured her in S9. At least that's what I would do had I been in his place. I don't understand how he easily forgave Misako for abandoning him as well as the Ninja for bullying him but he wouldn't spare Harumi a second thought.

      When she was arrested, he was mad, because she tried to manipulate him again.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      Yes I know he did so in the past, even when he was still a kid but I found it unsettling when Lloyd seemed unconcerned when Harumi told him about how the Great Devourer had left her an orphan and he later said "I know I hurt you" to her so I was taken aback when Lloyd refused to let her know that he was sorry for what he did like when she was arrested in S8 or when he and the others captured her in S9. At least that's what I would do had I been in his place. I don't understand how he easily forgave Misako for abandoning him as well as the Ninja for bullying him but he wouldn't spare Harumi a second thought.

      When she was arrested, he was mad, because she tried to manipulate him again.

      He would've told her to be quiet and then explained himself and let her know that he was sorry for the Serpentine incident and again later in S9.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      Ninja72 wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      Yes I know he did so in the past, even when he was still a kid but I found it unsettling when Lloyd seemed unconcerned when Harumi told him about how the Great Devourer had left her an orphan and he later said "I know I hurt you" to her so I was taken aback when Lloyd refused to let her know that he was sorry for what he did like when she was arrested in S8 or when he and the others captured her in S9. At least that's what I would do had I been in his place. I don't understand how he easily forgave Misako for abandoning him as well as the Ninja for bullying him but he wouldn't spare Harumi a second thought.

      When she was arrested, he was mad, because she tried to manipulate him again.

      He would've told her to be quiet and then explained himself and let her know that he was sorry for the Serpentine incident and again later in S9.

      I’m sure he was actually sorry for the Serpentine thing. Maybe he didn’t want to risk her toying with him again?

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      Ninja72 wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      Yes I know he did so in the past, even when he was still a kid but I found it unsettling when Lloyd seemed unconcerned when Harumi told him about how the Great Devourer had left her an orphan and he later said "I know I hurt you" to her so I was taken aback when Lloyd refused to let her know that he was sorry for what he did like when she was arrested in S8 or when he and the others captured her in S9. At least that's what I would do had I been in his place. I don't understand how he easily forgave Misako for abandoning him as well as the Ninja for bullying him but he wouldn't spare Harumi a second thought.
      When she was arrested, he was mad, because she tried to manipulate him again.

      He would've told her to be quiet and then explained himself and let her know that he was sorry for the Serpentine incident and again later in S9.

      He got mad. And rightfully so.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      Ninja72 wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      Yes I know he did so in the past, even when he was still a kid but I found it unsettling when Lloyd seemed unconcerned when Harumi told him about how the Great Devourer had left her an orphan and he later said "I know I hurt you" to her so I was taken aback when Lloyd refused to let her know that he was sorry for what he did like when she was arrested in S8 or when he and the others captured her in S9. At least that's what I would do had I been in his place. I don't understand how he easily forgave Misako for abandoning him as well as the Ninja for bullying him but he wouldn't spare Harumi a second thought.
      When she was arrested, he was mad, because she tried to manipulate him again.

      He would've told her to be quiet and then explained himself and let her know that he was sorry for the Serpentine incident and again later in S9.

      He got mad. And rightfully so.

      Because Harumi tried to get revenge on him, also with good reason.

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    • Meboresearch wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      Ninja72 wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      Yes I know he did so in the past, even when he was still a kid but I found it unsettling when Lloyd seemed unconcerned when Harumi told him about how the Great Devourer had left her an orphan and he later said "I know I hurt you" to her so I was taken aback when Lloyd refused to let her know that he was sorry for what he did like when she was arrested in S8 or when he and the others captured her in S9. At least that's what I would do had I been in his place. I don't understand how he easily forgave Misako for abandoning him as well as the Ninja for bullying him but he wouldn't spare Harumi a second thought.

      When she was arrested, he was mad, because she tried to manipulate him again.

      He would've told her to be quiet and then explained himself and let her know that he was sorry for the Serpentine incident and again later in S9.

      I’m sure he was actually sorry for the Serpentine thing. Maybe he didn’t want to risk her toying with him again?

      But he didn't let Harumi know that. He didn't even bring that up with to his friends or "Red".

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    • Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.

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    • Onibaba509 wrote: Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.

      The Oni and the Dragons didn't get Harumi's parents killed.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      Onibaba509 wrote: Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.

      The Oni and the Dragons didn't get Harumi's parents killed.

      But they made the FSM want to create Ninjago and somehow get the Devourer and the serpentine there. And then he had children and Garmadon turned evil because the Devourer. And Lloyd then decided to release the serpentine and Pythor who decided to awaken the Devourer which got Harumi's parents killed.

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    • What about Misako? Don't forget she abandoned Lloyd.

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    • Y'know what? Misako should've at least brought Lloyd to Wu.

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    • NexSans2092 wrote: Y'know what? Misako should've at least brought Lloyd to Wu.

      If she did so then Wu could've realized Lloyd was the Green Ninja right away due to the weapons (sorry I forgot their names) glowing in his presence.

      Misako should've taken him with her or put him in a decent boarding school and of course visit him, write him letters and take him home for the holidays.

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    • She definitely could have been a better mom, and at least visited her son. Like seriously.

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    • Exactly.

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    • TheLoner wrote: Exactly.

      Loner, do you have Discord?

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    • DamasterW wrote:

      TheLoner wrote: Exactly.

      Loner, do you have Discord?

      No.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      DamasterW wrote:

      TheLoner wrote: Exactly.

      Loner, do you have Discord?

      No.

      Awww, that's sad.

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    • Again, the emperor and empress should've cared about Harumi more than giving her material goods.

      (AGAIN, what's the point of them?)

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    • NexSans2092 wrote: Again, the emperor and empress should've cared about Harumi more than giving her material goods.

      (AGAIN, what's the point of them?)

      Indeed.

      (Nobody knows. Maybe it will be revealed when we find out more about Harumi's background like the writers promised.)

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    • Heck, Nya even said they were figureheads.

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    • why did Harumi's adoptive parents need to be an emperor and an empress? there really wasn't a point with them, and it would probably have worked just as well if they were just a super rich family who in a way, have helped make Ninjago city the capital it is today.

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    • I guess plot?

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    • I FINK HAROOMEE IS INTELLOJENT

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    • NexSans2092 wrote:
      Heck, Nya even said they were figureheads.

      Yeah I think she pretty much summed it up. I guess they're kind of like the royal family in England.

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    • DarkHenrik wrote:
      why did Harumi's adoptive parents need to be an emperor and an empress? there really wasn't a point with them, and it would probably have worked just as well if they were just a super rich family who in a way, have helped make Ninjago city the capital it is today.

      It kind of doesn't make sense. It was never mentioned before, and then all of a sudden, Ninjago has a royal palace, an emperor, an empress, and a princess. Like what? The good guys never checked on the royals during any previous evil, all-powerful, or mystical threats, but the royal family needs protection from a biker gang, and then their own princess blows them up. And how come Garmadon or the Overlord never tried to take out the emperor when they wanted to rule or take over Ninjago? A super rich family would have made more sense and flowed more smoothly.

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    • Onibaba509 wrote:
      Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.

      And if we don't want to dig that deep down into the past, blame the monks in Cloud Kingdom as they're basicaly responsible for every step in the Sixteen Realms.

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    • Chimadino wrote:
      Onibaba509 wrote:
      Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.
      And if we don't want to dig that deep down into the past, blame the monks in Cloud Kingdom as they're basicaly responsible for every step in the Sixteen Realms.

      yeah, that's something that really bugged me when they were introduced. their introduction created the implication that there is no such thing as "free will" in the Ninjago franchise. That all of the bad things, like Garmadon's fall to evil, the Serpentine war and Harumi's loss of her parents and growing hatred for Lloyd and the Ninja was all because the Cloud Kingdom people wrote it. That's something i personally feel is one of the biggest mistakes of the Possession season.

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    • DarkHenrik wrote:
      Chimadino wrote:
      Onibaba509 wrote:
      Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.
      And if we don't want to dig that deep down into the past, blame the monks in Cloud Kingdom as they're basicaly responsible for every step in the Sixteen Realms.
      yeah, that's something that really bugged me when they were introduced. their introduction created the implication that there is so such thing as "free will" in the Ninjago franchise. That all of the bad things, like Garmadon's fall to evil, the Serpentine war and Harumi's loss of her parents and growing hatred for Lloyd and the Ninja was all because the Cloud Kingdom people wrote it. That's something i personally feel is one of the biggest mistakes of the Possession season.

      I am reporting this wiki.

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    • Chimadino wrote:
      DarkHenrik wrote:
      Chimadino wrote:
      Onibaba509 wrote:
      Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.
      And if we don't want to dig that deep down into the past, blame the monks in Cloud Kingdom as they're basicaly responsible for every step in the Sixteen Realms.
      yeah, that's something that really bugged me when they were introduced. their introduction created the implication that there is so such thing as "free will" in the Ninjago franchise. That all of the bad things, like Garmadon's fall to evil, the Serpentine war and Harumi's loss of her parents and growing hatred for Lloyd and the Ninja was all because the Cloud Kingdom people wrote it. That's something i personally feel is one of the biggest mistakes of the Possession season.
      I am reporting this wiki.

      huh? why?

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    • DarkHenrik wrote:
      Chimadino wrote:
      DarkHenrik wrote:
      Chimadino wrote:
      Onibaba509 wrote:
      Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.
      And if we don't want to dig that deep down into the past, blame the monks in Cloud Kingdom as they're basicaly responsible for every step in the Sixteen Realms.
      yeah, that's something that really bugged me when they were introduced. their introduction created the implication that there is so such thing as "free will" in the Ninjago franchise. That all of the bad things, like Garmadon's fall to evil, the Serpentine war and Harumi's loss of her parents and growing hatred for Lloyd and the Ninja was all because the Cloud Kingdom people wrote it. That's something i personally feel is one of the biggest mistakes of the Possession season.
      I am reporting this wiki.
      huh? why?

      Because [I'm Batman] it has been annoying me for years.

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    • Chimadino wrote:
      Onibaba509 wrote:
      Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.
      And if we don't want to dig that deep down into the past, blame the monks in Cloud Kingdom as they're basicaly responsible for every step in the Sixteen Realms.

      Oh yeah...so wise, man. The Cloud Kingdom was totally buried in my mind, but they are the root cause of everything. I will blame the Cloud Kingdom. 

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    • It scares me, that no one in Ninjago has free will.

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    • It seems they no longer do this, since in the S5 finale one of the monks said that they should not interfere with their fate.

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    • Ninja72 wrote: It seems they no longer do this, since in the S5 finale one of the monks said that they should not interfere with their fate.

      But Harumi lost his parents during S1.

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    • Yeah, I know, just wanted to point out they no longer do this. 

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    • NexSans2092 wrote: It scares me, that no one in Ninjago has free will.

      Ever since I watched that episode, I began thinking that this might be a thing in real life.

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    • Arrowverse had a similar concept: The Occulus. It is a machine that allows you to predict and manipulate the timeline.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      Yeah, I know, just wanted to point out they no longer do this. 

      it still leaves the feeling and implication that before that time, they have more or less caused lots of suffering and problems for Ninjago and possibly other realms with their scribing. It's why, in my opinion, they could have been written more like Chroniclers. Writing down the past history of the realms. If they had to use the destiny thing, however, then they could have treated it more like either something that rarely happens or it's only for special events, and it's not like they write everyone's life story, More that they write prophecies of destinies, like the Green Ninja one for example.

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    • There are hundreds of conspiracy theories about a secret empire controlling the world.

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    • DarkHenrik wrote:
      Chimadino wrote:
      Onibaba509 wrote:
      Blame the oni and dragons for making the FSM want to leave and create Ninjago.
      And if we don't want to dig that deep down into the past, blame the monks in Cloud Kingdom as they're basicaly responsible for every step in the Sixteen Realms.
      yeah, that's something that really bugged me when they were introduced. their introduction created the implication that there is no such thing as "free will" in the Ninjago franchise. That all of the bad things, like Garmadon's fall to evil, the Serpentine war and Harumi's loss of her parents and growing hatred for Lloyd and the Ninja was all because the Cloud Kingdom people wrote it. That's something i personally feel is one of the biggest mistakes of the Possession season.

      You're so right. Then what's the point of any character development or villain backstory? If we can't really hold any character responsible for their actions, then where's the fun of having characters we love, characters we have mixed feelings about, and characters we love to hate? I agree that is the biggest mistake in the Posession story arc, even in the whole show. It defeats the purpose of having those "why would that character do that" moments. You know what, I'm just going to pretend the Cloud Kingdom doesn't matter and live in my blissful ignorance. But it begs the question: why do the writers in Cloud Kingdom write bad or sad things? Could the lives of the beings in the fifteen other realms be a source of entertainment for the residents of Cloud Kingdom, so they write things that cause drama? Or could it be that a villainous entity tells them what to write, like a lot of bad things, and the final season of Ninjago would be about the ninja fighting and defeating this entity, bringing peace to all Sixteen Realms forever? Who knows?

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    • Might be sort of a balance thing: when they can not write only good things.

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    • maybe it could have worked more if Nimbus was treated as a sort of "trickster" demon or something. A malevolent entity that messes or destroys the monk's writings and thus creates problems for the people in question.

      at the same time... they could just treate the Cloud Kingdom as not being "we write the destinies and fates of the people of the sixteen realms" and more like they write the charma or fortune of people. not the life story of a character, but what happens to them.


      Basically, not so much: "we write what you think, how you feel and what you do" but more "we write whether the coin you threw lands either on heads, tails or on it's edge." This would also work more with the Nimbus idea i mentioned above.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      It seems they no longer do this, since in the S5 finale one of the monks said that they should not interfere with their fate.

      Oh yeah. It's been a while since S5, so I forgot about that specific scene. So I don't have to try to forget about the Cloud Kingdom. Good, because you all knew that the fact that I said I was going to pretend it didn't matter was never going to let me forget about it.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      Might be sort of a balance thing: when they can not write only good things.

      Oh duh, how could I have overlooked that?!! Sensei Wu spent so much of S2 preaching about the balance between light and dark, good and evil. And balance is one of the things needed to master Spinjitzu. Balance is a major theme in the show, so it makes total sense. You guys are so enlightened.

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    • Is anybody else wondering about when Fenwick said how sometimes the events happened without their writing of it?

      Because at this point was he telling the truth or lying?

      Because that could explain a lot of the conflicts in Ninjago.

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    • She is an amazing villain, and the second best in my opinion

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    • Who do you think is the best then?

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    • Welp IMO it's Garmadon. I know Morro is more popular, but despite all of that I always felt that Garmadon was very fleshed-out. He has 4 different versions of himself: 

      1) the original one

      2) the redeemed one

      3) the ridiculous one

      4) the more badass one

      I honestly like the Oni trilogy Garmadon the best because he was a very interesting, badass villain who actually has feelings. And yet, he is ruthless.

      Morro's my third, but Garmy's the best.

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    • 3) Talking about the movie, right?

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    • Yes. He was ridiculous but hilarious at the same time.

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    • Fguyretftgu7 wrote:
      Welp IMO it's Garmadon. I know Morro is more popular, but despite all of that I always felt that Garmadon was very fleshed-out. He has 4 different versions of himself: 

      1) the original one

      2) the redeemed one

      3) the ridiculous one

      4) the more badass one

      I honestly like the Oni trilogy Garmadon the best because he was a very interesting, badass villain who actually has feelings. And yet, he is ruthless.

      Morro's my third, but Garmy's the best.

      Dude he's also my favorite villain! I love Garmadon!! U're right, I love how we've seen all aspects of him. I feel like I actually know him. I also agree that resurrected Garmadon is the best. He's way more evil than the original, but still has emotions like his redeemed self that he's curious about and wants to understand. It's an unique mix of good and bad. And he amuses me the most because he's quirky/kind of funny, especially in his interactions with Lloyd and the ninja post-S9. He really cracked me up. Garmy is da bomb!

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    • Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:

      Fguyretftgu7 wrote:
      Welp IMO it's Garmadon. I know Morro is more popular, but despite all of that I always felt that Garmadon was very fleshed-out. He has 4 different versions of himself: 

      1) the original one

      2) the redeemed one

      3) the ridiculous one

      4) the more badass one

      I honestly like the Oni trilogy Garmadon the best because he was a very interesting, badass villain who actually has feelings. And yet, he is ruthless.

      Morro's my third, but Garmy's the best.

      Dude he's also my favorite villain! I love Garmadon!! U're right, I love how we've seen all aspects of him. I feel like I actually know him. I also agree that resurrected Garmadon is the best. He's way more evil than the original, but still has emotions like his redeemed self that he's curious about and wants to understand. It's an unique mix of good and bad. And he amuses me the most because he's quirky/kind of funny, especially in his interactions with Lloyd and the ninja post-S9. He really cracked me up. Garmy is da bomb!

      Haha I could tell by yr name

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    • Totally, gotta honor the best villain.

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    • U like Ben 10 too? Cool

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    • Yeah, but mostly the original. The reboot is...ok, but I don't like how it's a little...less serious, I guess. I hope they continue the story from Omniverse someday. And I also love Generator Rex. I was sad when it finished. Also hope that also gets continued, someday, somehow. I thought the Ben 10/Generator Rex crossover was awesome, hence the profile pic.

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    • Ooo generator rex was my childhood as well...

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    • regarding Garmadon, i personally don't like his Resurrected version, as i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions. I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot. Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.

      Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.

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    • Still OT

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    • Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:
      Yeah, but mostly the original. The reboot is...ok, but I don't like how it's a little...less serious, I guess. I hope they continue the story from Omniverse someday. And I also love Generator Rex. I was sad when it finished. Also hope that also gets continued, someday, somehow. I thought the Ben 10/Generator Rex crossover was awesome, hence the profile pic.

      I like the original Ben 10 and Generator Rex too.  But why do you think Rex should get continued? It is not like it was cancelled and ended on a cliffhanger. It just ended. The finale completes the storyline.

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    • Well, because all EVOs were cured except for Van Kleiss and his gang. They escaped last minute taking a deranged Van Kleiss with them. And the Consortium was still angry about their defeat. I believe 1 of them was attacking the city with a giant nanite-powered robot. Because unstable nanites still existed, which can still be bad. And also, at the end of the Heroes United crossover, Alpha was starting to break free.

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    • still OT

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    • You're funny.

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    • How?

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    • Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:
      Well, because all EVOs were cured except for Van Kleiss and his gang. They escaped last minute taking a deranged Van Kleiss with them. And the Consortium was still angry about their defeat. I believe 1 of them was attacking the city with a giant nanite-powered robot. Because unstable nanites still existed, which can still be bad. And also, at the end of the Heroes United crossover, Alpha was starting to break free.

      That was not one of the Consortium. It was just a random criminal.

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    • i have no clue what your talking about so
      


      ADVENTURE TIME
      COME ON GRAB YOUR FRIENDS-
      
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    • We were talking about Generator Rex: 

      So make way to start the revolution

      Make way we are gonna have fun tonight

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    • still OT...

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    • GO TO VERY DISTANT LANDS
      
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    • Harumi has accumulated anger through the years living as a princess, correct? What more if the Emperor and Empress were more like the Dursleys. I wonder.

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    • Meboresearch wrote:
      GO TO VERY DISTANT LANDS

      Make way to start the revolution  (This is how the Generator Rex song goes after "So make way to start the revolution. Make way we are gonna have fun tonight")

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    • Can someone close this? It is very off-topic.

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    • DamasterW wrote: Harumi has accumulated anger through the years living as a princess, correct? What more if the Emperor and Empress were more like the Dursleys. I wonder.

      Thanks for commenting something not off topic!!

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    • Emperor Serpentine wrote: Can someone close this? It is very off-topic.

      Thank you for commenting what should have been commented like a week or so ago...

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      We were talking about Generator Rex: 

      So make way to start the revolution

      Make way we are gonna have fun tonight

      You know we are!

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    • Is someone gonna talk about Harumi?

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    • NexSans2092 wrote: Is someone gonna talk about Harumi?

      I just did. See my last comment.

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    • Emperor Serpentine wrote:
      Can someone close this? It is very off-topic.

      And I don't even know what are they talking about.

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    • Chimadino wrote:

      Emperor Serpentine wrote:
      Can someone close this? It is very off-topic.

      And I don't even know what are they talking about.

      Me too

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    • I already explained what we were talking about though. 

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    • Anyway, here is my opinion on Harumi: Good character, but does not really need to come back.  Her story ended.  There is not much to tell anymore.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      Anyway, here is my opinion on Harumi: Good character, but does not really need to come back.  Her story ended.  There is not much to tell anymore.

      Yes, exactly.

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    • Ninja72 wrote: Anyway, here is my opinion on Harumi: Good character, but does not really need to come back.  Her story ended.  There is not much to tell anymore.

      And for some reason, people pester the writers to get her back on the show.

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    • If she does, make her a one time ghost for one episode.

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    • Brook Kay wrote:
      What do you think of Harumi? I am not a fangirl of her
      She was a terrible villian.
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    • i think she was a great charachter and dont laugh but her and lloyd would have been really cute together :=(

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    • Ninja72 wrote: Anyway, here is my opinion on Harumi: Good character, but does not really need to come back.  Her story ended.  There is not much to tell anymore.

      You said it, Ninja

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    • I don't think Harumi was a very good villain. She was more focused on raising Garmadon from the dead than trying to take over Ninjago herself. She needed someone who was already defeated so that she wasn't.

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    • InfernoTheDragon wrote: I don't think Harumi was a very good villain. She was more focused on raising Garmadon from the dead than trying to take over Ninjago herself. She needed someone who was already defeated so that she wasn't.

      Same.

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    • When she died, at first I was like "Yes!", until I went through her past. But still, good riddance to her.

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    • lol

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    • DamasterW wrote:

      Ninja72 wrote: Anyway, here is my opinion on Harumi: Good character, but does not really need to come back.  Her story ended.  There is not much to tell anymore.

      And for some reason, people pester the writers to get her back on the show.

      1) Well Garmadon's story ended in S4 and here he is (Well, 50% of him but still he is back) and fans hardly ever complain about it.

      2) Not anymore. Fans are now busy pestering the writers to bring Sensei Garmadon back, asking over and over who will be Lloyd's and Cole's crushes and DEMANDING the writers to create LGBTQ+ characters.

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    • Cole is a lonely bean.

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    • People are pestering them to bring Sensei Garmadon back?

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    • Anyway, I would not really mind that much if she does, but at this point it is very unlikely.

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    • Ninja72
      Ninja72 removed this reply because:
      On second thought, this could potentially lead to an argument.
      06:14, November 4, 2019
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    • Though, weird how she was not discussed as much back when she was still alive.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      DamasterW wrote:

      Ninja72 wrote: Anyway, here is my opinion on Harumi: Good character, but does not really need to come back.  Her story ended.  There is not much to tell anymore.

      And for some reason, people pester the writers to get her back on the show.

      1) Well Garmadon's story ended in S4 and here he is (Well, 50% of him but still he is back) and fans hardly ever complain about it.

      2) Not anymore. Fans are now busy pestering the writers to bring Sensei Garmadon back, asking over and over who will be Lloyd's and Cole's crushes and DEMANDING the writers to create LGBTQ+ characters.

      About #2, I hope the writers do not pander to the [REDACTED]. I do not want Ninjago to be ruined by some [REDACTED] agenda.

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    • yeah if EVERY ninja have a crush that would just be lame...

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    • and i like garmy this way, he is much more powerful and always is a potenial threat, sensei garmadon is kinda irrevalant scince they already have wu.

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    • Garmy? That is the best nickname I have ever heard anyone call a bad guy.

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    • Harumi's death was one of the darkest scenes in Ninjago yet.

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    • It was... honestly, that entire season was. They raised someone FROM THE DEAD, the city was taken over by gangs, Lloyd was abused by his father, and tons of people died (even if it didn't show it, I'm sure many city people died)

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    • The whole building collapsing thing was a really close reference to 9/11...

      so yeah, super dark

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    • Yeah, the season showed a lot more of how much damage all the ninja's battled cause, especially after showing how Harumi's parents died. It showed that no matter how hard the ninja try, someone always gets hurt and people always die. But still, reaaaalllyyyy dark.

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    • The plot of the whole Oni and Dragon Trilogy was basicaly conspiracy theories coming true:

      Gangs take over and resurrect someone evil. The heroes are banished to another dimension. The city looks like what a city would look after a zombie apocalypse. The govements take over. When the heroes win and everything seems fine, demons come to destroy the world.

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    • The plot of the whole Oni and Dragon Trilogy was basicaly conspiracy theories coming true:

      Gangs take over and resurrect someone evil. The heroes are banished to another dimension. The city looks like what a city would look after a zombie apocalypse. The govements take over. When the heroes win and everything seems fine, demons come to destroy the world.

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    • What if she came back as the last Wind Ninja?

      The Wind Twins Theory
      Do you think Harumi's Father and Morro are twins?
      The same hair piece as adults and if you look at Morro fighting with a young boy, the same hair piece and black (Morro)/brown (boy?) hair.
      https://ninjago.fandom.com/wiki/Morro?file=MoS46MorroYong.png
      Like uncle, like niece?

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    • LunaShadowMirage wrote: What if she came back as the last Wind Ninja?

      The Wind Twins Theory
      Do you think Harumi's Father and Morro are twins?
      The same hair piece as adults and if you look at Morro fighting with a young boy, the same hair piece and black (Morro)/brown (boy?) hair.
      https://ninjago.fandom.com/wiki/Morro?file=MoS46MorroYong.png
      Like uncle, like niece?

      Good theory, although I don't think that having the same hairpiece is enough proof. If anything Harumi's Father would be Ronin's brother since they do look a lot alike. I do like the idea of Harumi being related to another well-known character.

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    • InfernoTheDragon wrote:
      It was... honestly, that entire season was. They raised someone FROM THE DEAD, the city was taken over by gangs, Lloyd was abused by his father, and tons of people died (even if it didn't show it, I'm sure many city people died)

      Don't forget about Lloyd being emotionally manipulated and abused by the psycho Harumi and her twisted plan to get his own father to kill him. S8-10 were pretty grim, but I Iiked to see a way more darker side of Ninjago. It was also the first time we saw a mistake made by the heroes come back to bite them (Cause the Great Devourer was the mistake, and bite 😂)

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    • Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:

      InfernoTheDragon wrote:
      It was... honestly, that entire season was. They raised someone FROM THE DEAD, the city was taken over by gangs, Lloyd was abused by his father, and tons of people died (even if it didn't show it, I'm sure many city people died)

      Don't forget about Lloyd being emotionally manipulated and abused by the psycho Harumi and her twisted plan to get his own father to kill him. S8-10 were pretty grim, but I Iiked to see a way more darker side of Ninjago. It was also the first time we saw a mistake made by the heroes come back to bite them (Cause the Great Devourer was the mistake, and bite 😂)

      And don't forget Lloyd showing no remorse for causing Harumi's parents' deaths too. What was she supposed to do? Thank him?.

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    • 1morro.com wrote:
      and i like garmy this way, he is much more powerful and always is a potenial threat, sensei garmadon is kinda irrevalant scince they already have wu.

      garmy made me laugh so bad XD

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    • the ressurection thing was a good idea at first but they played it out too long i think

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:

      InfernoTheDragon wrote:
      It was... honestly, that entire season was. They raised someone FROM THE DEAD, the city was taken over by gangs, Lloyd was abused by his father, and tons of people died (even if it didn't show it, I'm sure many city people died)

      Don't forget about Lloyd being emotionally manipulated and abused by the psycho Harumi and her twisted plan to get his own father to kill him. S8-10 were pretty grim, but I Iiked to see a way more darker side of Ninjago. It was also the first time we saw a mistake made by the heroes come back to bite them (Cause the Great Devourer was the mistake, and bite 😂)

      And don't forget Lloyd showing no remorse for causing Harumi's parents' deaths too. What was she supposed to do? Thank him?.

      Like I’ve said before, it’s an accident. Pythor was the one who betrayed Lloyd. Also, what makes you think he didn’t feel remorse when he learned her parents died because of the Great Devourer. He was clearly taken aback. I’m not saying that Lloyd’s in the right, but what Harumi did was a bit extreme...

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    • This is my theory on who’s fault it is in this whole situation: Evil. Just evil in general. Why? You may ask, because if evil never existed it would’ve never been in the Great Devourer’s bite. If that didn’t happen Garmadon wouldn’t have slowly turned evil, and eventually trick Misako into marrying him. If they never got married, then Lloyd would’ve never been born. If Lloyd wasn’t born, Misako would’ve never abandoned him (cause he doesn’t exist). If Misako never abandoned him, then Lloyd wouldn’t have tried to be like his father. If Lloyd didn’t want to be like his father, then he wouldn’t have encountered the ninja who discouraged him. If the ninja never discouraged him, he wouldn’t have found Pythor’s cave and trusted him. If Lloyd hadn’t trusted him, then Pythor wouldn’t have released the Great Devourer. If the Great Devourer hadn’t been released, then the city wouldn’t have been attacked. If the city hadn’t been attacked, then Harumi’s parents wouldn’t have sacrificed themselves. If they hadn’t sacrificed themselves, they would be alive and Harumi wouldn’t have been adopted and she would’ve never met Lloyd and broken his heart and resurrected his dad. So it all eventually boils down to evil. Tbh, evil is the cause of a lot of troubles in this world..... 😕

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    • Tmoneydaninja wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:

      InfernoTheDragon wrote:
      It was... honestly, that entire season was. They raised someone FROM THE DEAD, the city was taken over by gangs, Lloyd was abused by his father, and tons of people died (even if it didn't show it, I'm sure many city people died)

      Don't forget about Lloyd being emotionally manipulated and abused by the psycho Harumi and her twisted plan to get his own father to kill him. S8-10 were pretty grim, but I Iiked to see a way more darker side of Ninjago. It was also the first time we saw a mistake made by the heroes come back to bite them (Cause the Great Devourer was the mistake, and bite 😂)

      And don't forget Lloyd showing no remorse for causing Harumi's parents' deaths too. What was she supposed to do? Thank him?.

      Like I’ve said before, it’s an accident. Pythor was the one who betrayed Lloyd. Also, what makes you think he didn’t feel remorse when he learned her parents died because of the Great Devourer. He was clearly taken aback. I’m not saying that Lloyd’s in the right, but what Harumi did was a bit extreme...

      He didn't look taken aback to me. He acted as if nothing happened and didn't say anything when Harumi told him that he just pushed her away.

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    • I mean, Tmoneydaninja has a point. He even felt remorse about releasing Pythor in can of worms. I just think that Lloyd, while not in the right, clearly was deeply betrayed, seeing as how he trusted Harumi...A LOT, but then she just betrayed his trust PERSONALLY, and I think that's why he felt no remorse. I mean, would you if you just found out your crush was a psychopathic murderer who indeed caused thousands of casualties?

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    • And to be honest, anyone could've released Pythor.

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    • NexSans2092 wrote: I mean, Tmoneydaninja has a point. He even felt remorse about releasing Pythor in can of worms. I just think that Lloyd, while not in the right, clearly was deeply betrayed, seeing as how he trusted Harumi...A LOT, but then she just betrayed his trust PERSONALLY, and I think that's why he felt no remorse. I mean, would you if you just found out your crush was a psychopathic murderer who indeed caused thousands of casualties?

      Yeah. Also she probably indirectly killed people just like Lloyd did. How would she feel if some emotionally manipulated her because she killed their parents. Just think about that for a second, TheLoner.

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    • Also, Lloyd is a hero, Harumi is a villain, not the other way around. So of course people would symphatise with Lloyd more.

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    • NexSans2092 wrote: And to be honest, anyone could've released Pythor.

      Pretty much like anyone can break someone out of a prison.

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    • Ninja72 wrote: Also, Lloyd is a hero, Harumi is a villain, not the other way around. So of course people would symphatise with Lloyd more.

      Ahem. There are villains people "love to hate" and prefer over the protaganotist. Not saying Harumi is this type of villain just stating a fact.

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    • Tmoneydaninja wrote: This is my theory on who’s fault it is in this whole situation: Evil. Just evil in general. Why? You may ask, because if evil never existed it would’ve never been in the Great Devourer’s bite. If that didn’t happen Garmadon wouldn’t have slowly turned evil, and eventually trick Misako into marrying him. If they never got married, then Lloyd would’ve never been born. If Lloyd wasn’t born, Misako would’ve never abandoned him (cause he doesn’t exist). If Misako never abandoned him, then Lloyd wouldn’t have tried to be like his father. If Lloyd didn’t want to be like his father, then he wouldn’t have encountered the ninja who discouraged him. If the ninja never discouraged him, he wouldn’t have found Pythor’s cave and trusted him. If Lloyd hadn’t trusted him, then Pythor wouldn’t have released the Great Devourer. If the Great Devourer hadn’t been released, then the city wouldn’t have been attacked. If the city hadn’t been attacked, then Harumi’s parents wouldn’t have sacrificed themselves. If they hadn’t sacrificed themselves, they would be alive and Harumi wouldn’t have been adopted and she would’ve never met Lloyd and broken his heart and resurrected his dad. So it all eventually boils down to evil. Tbh, evil is the cause of a lot of troubles in this world..... 😕

      Actually if Misako would have took Lloyd to Wu, then he would immedetly become a ninja.

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    • wut are we talking about?

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    • Bear The Hybrid wrote: Harumi's death was one of the darkest scenes in Ninjago yet.

      Actually, it was a satisfying scene to me. I find her tragic but other characters from different franchises who were in her position did not go bad like she did. And to be honest, I used to like her thinking she was a good addition to the team until the big reveal.

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    • haha should've get burnt to death by aspheera's godly fire...

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    • Here's what I think of Harumi:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv5sVF4w4ms

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    • LoveABunchANinjas wrote:
      Here's what I think of Harumi:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv5sVF4w4ms

      Agreed with what that video said.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      LoveABunchANinjas wrote:
      Here's what I think of Harumi:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv5sVF4w4ms

      Agreed with what that video said.

      Yeah... there was another video I would have put, (Celebrating the death of Harumi) but turns out LEGO had banned it due to copyright reasons... :/

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    • NexSans2092 wrote: I mean, Tmoneydaninja has a point. He even felt remorse about releasing Pythor in can of worms. I just think that Lloyd, while not in the right, clearly was deeply betrayed, seeing as how he trusted Harumi...A LOT, but then she just betrayed his trust PERSONALLY, and I think that's why he felt no remorse. I mean, would you if you just found out your crush was a psychopathic murderer who indeed caused thousands of casualties?

      Well, if it turned out that he was did so because I had accidentally ruined his life then I would be angry, possibly even punch him but then I could apologize once he was arrested/captured (like when Harumi was arrested or captured by Lloyd and the other idiots).

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    • Tmoneydaninja wrote:

      NexSans2092 wrote: I mean, Tmoneydaninja has a point. He even felt remorse about releasing Pythor in can of worms. I just think that Lloyd, while not in the right, clearly was deeply betrayed, seeing as how he trusted Harumi...A LOT, but then she just betrayed his trust PERSONALLY, and I think that's why he felt no remorse. I mean, would you if you just found out your crush was a psychopathic murderer who indeed caused thousands of casualties?

      Yeah. Also she probably indirectly killed people just like Lloyd did. How would she feel if some emotionally manipulated her because she killed their parents. Just think about that for a second, TheLoner.

      Well if it was the other way around with Harumi releasing the Serpentine and accidentally ruining Lloyd's life when she was still a child and him going insane then I would side with Lloyd.

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    • Well, maybe he would have, if she had not tried to manipulate him again...........

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    • He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

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    • TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      It doesn't work that way when you're insane.

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    • LoveABunchANinjas wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      It doesn't work that way when you're insane.

      That doesn't give Lloyd any right to behave like he didn't do anything wrong.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      That doesn't give Lloyd any right to behave like he didn't do anything wrong.

      Nah I meant Lloyd wouldn't have been able to reason with her 'cause she's a psycopath.True though, Lloyd did need to show some remorse. However, you should remember that Lloyd was 10 or 11 when he released the Serpentine, at the oldest.

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    • LoveABunchANinjas wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      That doesn't give Lloyd any right to behave like he didn't do anything wrong.

      Nah I meant Lloyd wouldn't have been able to reason with her 'cause she's a psycopath.True though, Lloyd did need to show some remorse. However, you should remember that Lloyd was 10 or 11 when he released the Serpentine, at the oldest.

      Yes and he was in his late teens when he met Harumi, nearly an adult. At least if Lloyd had let her know he was sorry it would've shown that he did care about her and the damage he once caused the city and Harumi was also a kid, maybe not a small child like 9-11 year old Lloyd but teenagers are still children.

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    • I'm not saying that he didn't do anything wrong, I'm saying that we have to realize that kids make mistakes. (Releasing the serpentine is, however, an extremely big mistake) Yes, he should have told Harumi he was sorry, but wouldn't you be pretty shocked if it turned out that your crush wanted to kill you? I doubt he would have been able to keep a very clear head right there.

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    • TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      i would let aspheera burn her a slow death!

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    • LoveABunchANinjas wrote:
      Here's what I think of Harumi:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv5sVF4w4ms

      If you say "Harumi is dead" to the tune of that music, it's hilarious and fits Xd

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    • 1morro.com wrote:

      i would let aspheera burn her a slow death!

      Ahahahaha that's exactly how I feel about Harumi lol.

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    • 1morro.com wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      i would let aspheera burn her a slow death!

      That's excatly how I feel about Misako and Lloyd!:)

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      1morro.com wrote:


      TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      i would let aspheera burn her a slow death!
      That's excatly how I feel about Misako and Lloyd!:)

      NO NOT LLOYD HE'S GOOD PLEASE NO (but you know what if he died or turned evil and went to jail or something that would be extremely interesting...) Misako deserves to die in a fire though.

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    • That would be interesting. It's kind of like my theory that Lloyd might temporarily "be" like Lord Garmadon in a future season.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      I already explained what we were talking about though. 

      What?

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    • Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:
      That would be interesting. It's kind of like my theory that Lloyd might temporarily "be" like Lord Garmadon in a future season.

      Oooh, the cotton candy machine is workin' full power... TIME FOR A FANFICTION! Honestly though, I'm not suggesting "temporarily". I'm suggesting that he cracks from all the strain of being the Green Ninja, er... "destiny" (kill me) senses the growing darkness in his heart and takes away his powers and gives them to someone else... (a girl Green Ninja would be fun!) and he gets super mad and goes on a murdering rampage, his motivation being his need for revenge upon the ninja for "abandoning him" (I need to stop) and he kills someone! "Someone disposable, like Jay." (Kai, Ninjago Season 11, Secrets of the Forbidden Spinjitzu, episode 3, The Belly of the Beast) this would go on and on and on and on but I know I need to stop I'm going insane like Lloyd in my soon-to-be fanfic help me... TT

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    • LoveABunchANinjas wrote:
      Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:
      That would be interesting. It's kind of like my theory that Lloyd might temporarily "be" like Lord Garmadon in a future season.
      Oooh, the cotton candy machine is workin' full power... TIME FOR A FANFICTION! Honestly though, I'm not suggesting "temporarily". I'm suggesting that he cracks from all the strain of being the Green Ninja, er... "destiny" (kill me) senses the growing darkness in his heart and takes away his powers and gives them to someone else... (a girl Green Ninja would be fun!) and he gets super mad and goes on a murdering rampage, his motivation being his need for revenge upon the ninja for "abandoning him" (I need to stop) and he kills someone! "Someone disposable, like Jay." (Kai, Ninjago Season 11, Secrets of the Forbidden Spinjitzu, episode 3, The Belly of the Beast) this would go on and on and on and on but I know I need to stop I'm going insane like Lloyd in my soon-to-be fanfic help me... TT

      First of all:

      "Someone disposable, like Jay." (Kai, Ninjago Season 11, Secrets of the Forbidden Spinjitzu, episode 3, The Belly of the Beast) 😂😂

      One of my favorite lines and scenes. Great callback! 😂😂

      That's an interesting storyline. The girl Green Ninja could be Lloyd's long lost twin sister, who Misako left somewhere else because of a prophecy or something that said it would be dangerous or catastrophic for the twins if they come together or meet each other. And Misako never mentioned her after it was revealed that Lloyd is the Green Ninja because she was afraid that his sister would be destined for evil. But it's ur fanfic.

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    • Rex Garmadon Tennyson wrote:

      That's an interesting storyline. The girl Green Ninja could be Lloyd's long lost twin sister, who Misako left somewhere else because of a prophecy or something that said it would be dangerous or catastrophic for the twins if they come together or meet each other. And Misako never mentioned her after it was revealed that Lloyd is the Green Ninja because she was afraid that his sister would be destined for evil. But it's ur fanfic.

      I like where you're headed, but I usually don't like making OCs, especially those "long-lost child of Lord Garmadon" or something... I can see why people would like that, but I was thinking that Antonia would be the new Green Ninja in my fic, she just seems to fit the role.

      I ship her with Cole lol (not... Harumi, I don't ship her with anyone, I meant Antonia)

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    • If Jay died I would be triggered (oh the cringe) since he is my favorite character... for some reason... who knows at this point

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    • Bear The Hybrid wrote:
      If Jay died I would be triggered (oh the cringe) since he is my favorite character... for some reason... who knows at this point

      Ehehh, I like him too. Lloyd's my favorite character, and I still think he should die... it's called good for the plot. Little blue boy doesn't deserve to be murdered by his little green bro tho... that's why it's a good idea lol

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    • If I do give Lloyd a sibling, I'll try and integrate him/her into the story without being too OOC. So that He/she could blend into the story correctly without just popping up.

      For example, maybe Misako had twins, and while Lloyd was to be the green ninja, the siblling was to be the grey ninja (he/she has no elemental power) in case Lloyd is out of commision or something. Oh, and the sibling has a normal life as well, and between Season 5-6 (fixed timeline), Lloyd was introduced to his sibling by Misako.

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    • Basically, Lloyd's sibling is a "backup" Ninja.

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    • Who owns a restaurant (He/she went to college, and established a diner in Jamanakai Village.)

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    • But is still adept in Spinjitzu (Jay trained him/her, and while at first he/she didn't succeed, eventually, after many days of training, he/she successfully achieved it, but has yet to actually master it, as it CAN falter at times due to not having an elemental power)

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    • NexSans2092 wrote:
      But is still adept in Spinjitzu (Jay trained him/her, and while at first he/she didn't succeed, eventually, after many days of training, he/she successfully achieved it, but has yet to actually master it, as it CAN falter at times due to not having an elemental power)

      Yeet, guess my cotton candy machine's not the only one that's workin' full power! 😂😂😂

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    • I can't believe I made a sibling for Lloyd, without any of the clichés (well, except the Ninja part, but even that has most of the clichés removed)

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    • NexSans2092 wrote:
      I can't believe I made a sibling for Lloyd, without any of the clichés (well, except the Ninja part, but even that has most of the clichés removed)

      Welcome to my life lol...

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    • can harumi do spinjitzu??

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    • if she could i think it would be blue and silver and purple

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    • Master Wu 123 wrote: can harumi do spinjitzu??

      No.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      LoveABunchANinjas wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      That doesn't give Lloyd any right to behave like he didn't do anything wrong.

      Nah I meant Lloyd wouldn't have been able to reason with her 'cause she's a psycopath.True though, Lloyd did need to show some remorse. However, you should remember that Lloyd was 10 or 11 when he released the Serpentine, at the oldest.

      Yes and he was in his late teens when he met Harumi, nearly an adult. At least if Lloyd had let her know he was sorry it would've shown that he did care about her and the damage he once caused the city and Harumi was also a kid, maybe not a small child like 9-11 year old Lloyd but teenagers are still children.

      Children are only up to 12

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    • I have to agree with TheLoner on that. A 13/14 year old is still a child.

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    • Ninja72 wrote: I have to agree with TheLoner on that. A 13/14 year old is still a child.

      Perhaps because by that time there are those of that age who do not hit puberty yet, correct?

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      1morro.com wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      i would let aspheera burn her a slow death!

      That's excatly how I feel about Misako and Lloyd!:)

      It seems though that you hate Misako and Lloyd. Am I correct?

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    • DamasterW wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      1morro.com wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      i would let aspheera burn her a slow death!

      That's excatly how I feel about Misako and Lloyd!:)

      It seems though that you hate Misako and Lloyd. Am I correct?

      Yes I do. I used to be a HUGE Lloyd fan until S9.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      DamasterW wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      1morro.com wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      i would let aspheera burn her a slow death!

      That's excatly how I feel about Misako and Lloyd!:)

      It seems though that you hate Misako and Lloyd. Am I correct?

      Yes I do. I used to be a HUGE Lloyd fan until S9.

      Same here. Lloyd used to be my favorite ninja, until S8. Now I hate Lloyd, but that doesn't mean I want him to die.

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    • Also, I consider teenagers to be children who have just gotten started making the transition to adulthood. They may've hit puberty and are wiser than young children but they still have a LOT of maturing to do. (I mean no offense to any teenagers who may be reading this btw.)

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    • TheLoner wrote:
      Also, I consider teenagers to be children who have just gotten started making the transition to adulthood. They may've hit puberty and are wiser than young children but they still have a LOT of maturing to do. (I mean no offense to any teenagers who may be reading this btw.)

      As a teenager myself, I agree with that statement.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      I have to agree with TheLoner on that. A 13/14 year old is still a child.

      13 maybe, 14, not realy. Representing it with Lego minifigures, a figure of a 14 year old would already have long legs.

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      LoveABunchANinjas wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      It doesn't work that way when you're insane.

      That doesn't give Lloyd any right to behave like he didn't do anything wrong.

      Wow, you literaly act like Lloyd would be worse than Thanos, lol!

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    • Chimadino wrote:
      Ninja72 wrote:
      I have to agree with TheLoner on that. A 13/14 year old is still a child.
      13 maybe, 14, not realy. Representing it with Lego minifigures, a figure of a 14 year old would already have long legs.

      A 14-year-old would not really be much different from a 12-year-old in terms of maturity though. It is only 2 years. Also, you are still in middle school at 14.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      Chimadino wrote:
      Ninja72 wrote:
      I have to agree with TheLoner on that. A 13/14 year old is still a child.
      13 maybe, 14, not realy. Representing it with Lego minifigures, a figure of a 14 year old would already have long legs.
      A 14-year-old would not really be much different from a 12-year-old in terms of maturity though. It is only 2 years. Also, you are still in middle school at 14.

      I am only saying 14-year olds are closer to being teenagers.

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    • Chimadino wrote:

      Ninja72 wrote:
      Chimadino wrote:
      Ninja72 wrote:
      I have to agree with TheLoner on that. A 13/14 year old is still a child.
      13 maybe, 14, not realy. Representing it with Lego minifigures, a figure of a 14 year old would already have long legs.
      A 14-year-old would not really be much different from a 12-year-old in terms of maturity though. It is only 2 years. Also, you are still in middle school at 14.

      I am only saying 14-year olds are closer to being teenagers.

      Young children become teenagers at 12-13. I myself think it's at the age of 13.

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    • 12 is not a teenager, it is a pre-teen. Teenager is from 13 to 19. This is not really something that is debatable.

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    • I like how there’s this ongoing argument about Harumi about what? 2 years? Close to three?.... years after her death... 🙄😑😬

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    • Tmoneydaninja wrote:
      I like how there’s this ongoing argument about Harumi about what? 2 years? Close to three?.... years after her death... 🙄😑😬

      It is not even 2, let alone 3, lol. Only 1 and 4 months.

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    • Harumi could have been a good person, but she let her emotions control her actions and in the end it costed her life.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:

      Tmoneydaninja wrote:
      I like how there’s this ongoing argument about Harumi about what? 2 years? Close to three?.... years after her death... 🙄😑😬

      It is not even 2, let alone 3, lol. Only 1 and 4 months.

      Seems that long to me 🤷🏾‍♀️.It’s getting annoying how many people are still arguing about Harumi and if she’s dead or is she was right or Lloyd was right.... it makes it seem like Harumi has been here WAY longer than she actually is.... and it’s tiring. 😐

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    • DarkHenrik wrote:
      regarding Garmadon, i personally don't like his Resurrected version, as i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions. I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot. Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.

      Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.

      "i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions". Ehh, actually, that's the point of his resurrected version. Being a being that is not allowed to understand human emotions but later on he tries to do it is one of the main plot points of resurrected Garmadon

      "I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot". It would have, if it was just "some random Oni general" then the whole purpose of the Oni masks wouldn't make too much sense, the conflict between Harumi and Lloyd wouldn't make sense either, as well as the Garmadon and lloyd conflict and the Oni coming to Ninjago. In other words, it would've changed drastically the whole Oni Trilogy

      "Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.". Again, no, actually no. The only time when we got to see something similar to this was in S10, and even there, it can't be label as the "same thing" considering that they were just mad to one another because they're kind of like 2 opossite sides of a coin trying to keep they're difference apart to face something bigger than themselves

      "Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.". But how can this be "forced" if they just brought back a character that was presumibly dead and that it was said one million times that he wasn't going to be the same person we once knew. I think this is more a matter of taste rather than actual force writing

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    • InfernoTheDragon wrote:
      I don't think Harumi was a very good villain. She was more focused on raising Garmadon from the dead than trying to take over Ninjago herself. She needed someone who was already defeated so that she wasn't.

      Take over Ninjago was never her main goal. Take revenge on the Ninja (especially Lloyd) by resurrecting Garmadon WAS her main goal, conquer Ninjago was a side thing that Garmadon obviously would take care of later

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    • Chimadino wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      DamasterW wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      1morro.com wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      i would let aspheera burn her a slow death!

      That's excatly how I feel about Misako and Lloyd!:)

      It seems though that you hate Misako and Lloyd. Am I correct?

      Yes I do. I used to be a HUGE Lloyd fan until S9.

      Same here. Lloyd used to be my favorite ninja, until S8. Now I hate Lloyd, but that doesn't mean I want him to die.

      Is it because you hate Lloyd voiced by Double D?

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    • TheLoner wrote:

      DamasterW wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:

      1morro.com wrote:

      TheLoner wrote:
      He could've told her to shut up and then talk to her. That's what I would've done.

      So how could you feel if you found out that you accidentally ruined your crush's life and now they hate you for it?.

      i would let aspheera burn her a slow death!

      That's excatly how I feel about Misako and Lloyd!:)

      It seems though that you hate Misako and Lloyd. Am I correct?

      Yes I do. I used to be a HUGE Lloyd fan until S9.

      Because you thought Lloyd did not care about Harumi?

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    • DamasterW wrote:

      20191116 135050
      Totally real Harumi
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    • Ronan5497 wrote:
      DarkHenrik wrote:
      regarding Garmadon, i personally don't like his Resurrected version, as i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions. I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot. Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.

      Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.

      "i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions". Ehh, actually, that's the point of his resurrected version. Being a being that is not allowed to understand human emotions but later on he tries to do it is one of the main plot points of resurrected Garmadon

      "I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot". It would have, if it was just "some random Oni general" then the whole purpose of the Oni masks wouldn't make too much sense, the conflict between Harumi and Lloyd wouldn't make sense either, as well as the Garmadon and lloyd conflict and the Oni coming to Ninjago. In other words, it would've changed drastically the whole Oni Trilogy

      "Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.". Again, no, actually no. The only time when we got to see something similar to this was in S10, and even there, it can't be label as the "same thing" considering that they were just mad to one another because they're kind of like 2 opossite sides of a coin trying to keep they're difference apart to face something bigger than themselves

      "Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.". But how can this be "forced" if they just brought back a character that was presumibly dead and that it was said one million times that he wasn't going to be the same person we once knew. I think this is more a matter of taste rather than actual force writing

      The new Lord Garmadon is also kind of inconsistent. Nearly kills Harumi in one episode and like four episodes later, he wanted to destroy the city because of her death.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      Ronan5497 wrote:
      DarkHenrik wrote:
      regarding Garmadon, i personally don't like his Resurrected version, as i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions. I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot. Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.

      Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.

      "i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions". Ehh, actually, that's the point of his resurrected version. Being a being that is not allowed to understand human emotions but later on he tries to do it is one of the main plot points of resurrected Garmadon

      "I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot". It would have, if it was just "some random Oni general" then the whole purpose of the Oni masks wouldn't make too much sense, the conflict between Harumi and Lloyd wouldn't make sense either, as well as the Garmadon and lloyd conflict and the Oni coming to Ninjago. In other words, it would've changed drastically the whole Oni Trilogy

      "Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.". Again, no, actually no. The only time when we got to see something similar to this was in S10, and even there, it can't be label as the "same thing" considering that they were just mad to one another because they're kind of like 2 opossite sides of a coin trying to keep they're difference apart to face something bigger than themselves

      "Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.". But how can this be "forced" if they just brought back a character that was presumibly dead and that it was said one million times that he wasn't going to be the same person we once knew. I think this is more a matter of taste rather than actual force writing

      The new Lord Garmadon is also kind of inconsistent. Nearly kills Harumi in one episode and like four episodes later, he wanted to destroy the city because of her death.

      One of the reasons why I don't like this Garmadon.

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    • DarkHenrik wrote:
      regarding Garmadon, i personally don't like his Resurrected version, as i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions. I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot. Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.

      Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.

      Agreed. He didn't have his classic plan to "make Ninjago to his own image." He never EVER mentioned that.

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    • Chimadino wrote:
      DarkHenrik wrote:
      regarding Garmadon, i personally don't like his Resurrected version, as i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions. I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot. Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.

      Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.

      Agreed. He didn't have his classic plan to "make Ninjago to his own image." He never EVER mentioned that.

      Taking over the world and that are basically the same thing, just with special wording.

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      Ronan5497 wrote:
      DarkHenrik wrote:
      regarding Garmadon, i personally don't like his Resurrected version, as i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions. I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot. Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.

      Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.

      "i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions". Ehh, actually, that's the point of his resurrected version. Being a being that is not allowed to understand human emotions but later on he tries to do it is one of the main plot points of resurrected Garmadon

      "I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot". It would have, if it was just "some random Oni general" then the whole purpose of the Oni masks wouldn't make too much sense, the conflict between Harumi and Lloyd wouldn't make sense either, as well as the Garmadon and lloyd conflict and the Oni coming to Ninjago. In other words, it would've changed drastically the whole Oni Trilogy

      "Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.". Again, no, actually no. The only time when we got to see something similar to this was in S10, and even there, it can't be label as the "same thing" considering that they were just mad to one another because they're kind of like 2 opossite sides of a coin trying to keep they're difference apart to face something bigger than themselves

      "Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.". But how can this be "forced" if they just brought back a character that was presumibly dead and that it was said one million times that he wasn't going to be the same person we once knew. I think this is more a matter of taste rather than actual force writing

      The new Lord Garmadon is also kind of inconsistent. Nearly kills Harumi in one episode and like four episodes later, he wanted to destroy the city because of her death.

      Yeah. Could say that's because his mind is messed up because of the resurrection, but it seems less like he develops and more like the writers' changing their mind because him being an emotionless monster was boring. 

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    • Ninja72 wrote:
      Ronan5497 wrote:
      DarkHenrik wrote:
      regarding Garmadon, i personally don't like his Resurrected version, as i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions. I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot. Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.

      Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.

      "i feel that version doesn't have the personality of the original, he just comes of like a being who can't understand the concept of human emotions". Ehh, actually, that's the point of his resurrected version. Being a being that is not allowed to understand human emotions but later on he tries to do it is one of the main plot points of resurrected Garmadon

      "I feel that one could just as well replace him with some random Oni general or something and it wouldn't have changed much with the plot". It would have, if it was just "some random Oni general" then the whole purpose of the Oni masks wouldn't make too much sense, the conflict between Harumi and Lloyd wouldn't make sense either, as well as the Garmadon and lloyd conflict and the Oni coming to Ninjago. In other words, it would've changed drastically the whole Oni Trilogy

      "Plus the show now a days more or less seems to try more to make his and Lloyd's relationship to be more like the Movie version, with Lloyd being very unhappy with his dad.". Again, no, actually no. The only time when we got to see something similar to this was in S10, and even there, it can't be label as the "same thing" considering that they were just mad to one another because they're kind of like 2 opossite sides of a coin trying to keep they're difference apart to face something bigger than themselves

      "Basically, i'm saying i don't like the current version of Garmadon, because the changes done to him and stuff around him felt forced to me.". But how can this be "forced" if they just brought back a character that was presumibly dead and that it was said one million times that